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is the austrolite tectite at the center

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of a mystery

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there is an asteroid bombardment there

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crater a large craft had been destroyed

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in space

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such conclusive evidence

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nasa scientists went to great troubles

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to see if they could replicate this

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homo sapiens are genetically engineered

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diverged 780 000 years ago how do we

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what is a human you know what is our

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origin why are we here

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that's a clip from a little skeptico

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movie

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project episode kind of experiment

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that i put together with bruce frenton

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who you'll hear

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from today and sean fahey who

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was the guy who really did all the work

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and danny did a lot of the work too

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am so excited about bruce's work and i

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and the last interview we did i thought

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and then i ran into the snake brothers

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serpent podcast

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and i kind of got them interested in it

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and they're interested in doing a series

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of interviews on this topic

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so as kind of a way of launching that

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i invited everybody here on skeptico

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and here's what we came up with

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welcome to skeptico where we explore

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controversial science and spirituality

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with leading researchers thinkers and

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their critics

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i'm your host alex scarce and today we

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welcome back

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bruce fenton to skeptico versus the

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author of

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exogenesis hybrid humans a scientific

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history

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of extraterrestrial genetic manipulation

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and also the forgotten exodus

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the into africa theory of human

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with a forward by graham hancock which

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is quite impressive

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and because i thought bruce's work was

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innovative and important as you know if

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you listen to that first interview that

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he's also featured in this upcoming

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uh not even upcoming it's out that's

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what we're going to talk about today

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this extended video slash movie we did

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called 780 000 our alien

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origin story which is available right

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now you can go watch it on youtube for

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it's soon going to be on amazon as well

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if we can ever get it up on that

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platform which is i don't know they're

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need more time so give them all the time

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ancient mysteries kind of things so i

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video 780 000 and for bruce's excellent

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book you know an opportunity to get on

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thanks for having us thanks for working

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in that's how we're gonna do it hey

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snake t-shirt in honor of you guys and

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anyone who who could possibly be

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people so you guys so cool having you

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so bruce do you want to take it uh kind

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i love the way you you present this

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stuff you know and and we were chatting

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like all of us were chatting and i i

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like

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made about

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he appreciated the the sciency part of

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it

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and i did too from the first time we

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talked you know it's like that's the

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barrier those are the shields that are

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up it's like

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this guy's coming out with some pretty

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wild sounding stuff you know like the

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whole out of africa thing is

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total bunk you know and it all the best

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science doesn't

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prove that timmy show that to me and i

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really

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kind of lay it out okay i'll prove it to

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you here it goes do you want to

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elaborate on that either either one of

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you guys ross or kyle

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well i'm unfortunately i'm not as

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familiar with the

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with his out of africa book the the one

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that i've studied the most is the

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exogenesis one

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so some of this some of this information

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is newer to me

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uh but what i was specifically speaking

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about was

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you know in your in your book you sort

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of intertwine the the

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intuitive information with and then you

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go digging for the data

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now i found that a fascinating way to do

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the research but it's harder for me to

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to like you know you say okay so we have

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these ideas or

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this person had this dream or this this

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other thing and then you go looking for

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information and you find it in the

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scientific data that was the part that i

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found fascinating

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uh so that's that's basically what i was

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meaning when i was saying that i had a

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harder problem with the

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you know with the intuitive part but

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then once you got into the science i'm

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like okay

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there we go so fair enough

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kyle do you have any thoughts on the out

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of africa

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part of that because you know in this

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larger story that we're going to tell

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in this in this interview and in this

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film is that exogenesis is the story of

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our human origins are traceable by

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science that bruce has discovered to

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780 000 years ago and to me that kind of

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shifts our focus it's not just like a

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date

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it like totally changes the paradigm

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that we would be contemplating even some

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of the crises that we're going through

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now it kind of

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forces you to shift your focus and say

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wow how does this really fit in

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and i think it also that's why i wanted

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to start

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with the out of africa thing is we get

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hung up

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on africa and the migration

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into out of africa what 70 000 years ago

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or whatever

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bruce is talking about 780 000 years if

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we ever let him get to that story but

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first kyle do you have any do you have

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any of thoughts or have you ever

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looked into the africa out of africa

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into africa because bruce's thing

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is like look if you really are honest

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about looking at the data

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yeah there's a movement out of africa

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but it's after a movement

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into africa so these people were

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escaping from a

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ecological disaster and they moved into

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africa

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and then you guys picked up the trail

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later on when they moved out and you

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said oh that's it that's the event that

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and and then he goes and looks finds all

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this archaeological data that

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predates that and he goes well then

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obviously that was just the second

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leg of the journey so i don't know kyle

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have you looked into that at all or do

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you have any thoughts

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yeah just a little bit i i think

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generally there are some obvious

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problems with it just based on some of

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the stories that i've followed but

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the the genetic trail is something

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that's really hard for me to wrap my

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brain around how they follow this

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genetic trail but um yeah there's been

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uh some pretty recent stories where

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they're finding stuff in europe and

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saying wait how is this possible our

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story about the out of africa

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you know should have like these people

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or this thing that we're finding

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shouldn't be here at this time

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so yeah i think there's some definitely

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some legitimate questions

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and uh i'm coming into this this thing

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cold as far as your work bruce

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uh but i'm looking forward to reading

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your books um so yeah

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very interested to hear and also we we

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have followed pretty closely a lot of

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the

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americas of much more ancient vehicles

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like you know

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kyle and i've i think i would say that

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we focused our study on

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younger driest period and afterwards in

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terms of the human origin story because

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that's what you know

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we're looking we're looking at this more

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recent period so when you take it all

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the way back to 780 thousand years i'm

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like okay

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yes this is yeah this is way more

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interesting and there

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are fines in the americas that are too

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old

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you know it's the clovis first model has

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been destroyed basically i mean there

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are some people that are still clinging

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to it

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but yeah there there are there are

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plenty of fines here that i think

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uh ruin that story for them

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absolutely yeah yeah so so bruce let's

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just wrap up the

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this uh into africa out of africa what

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are we leaving

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off here that that people should uh come

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to

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understand through your work that's

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important to the bigger story

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well one thing i suppose is it kind of

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reminds us that

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you know we're talking about where does

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this story start again you have to

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decide you know what is a human you know

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what is important to the human story you

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know all these kind of concepts because

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if you say where does our lineage start

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well it starts with a single-celled

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organism

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4.5 billion years ago you know in the

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ocean somewhere

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so i mean where do we trace to where do

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we start

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right in the human story so if you are

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taking it just from

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the genus homo then that

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appears to emerge first in africa but

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then if you trace it back to you know

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earlier homonyms some of those appear to

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be in

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the mediterranean region now they're

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finding fossils that suggest

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perhaps the earliest hominins might have

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been there if you go back to when was

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the first kind of primates are they

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chasing these back downs

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into east asia and the jungles there so

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there is a degree of

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where do you want to start the story

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right now if we're dealing with homo

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sapiens then that's where i say that you

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know

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i argue that their story begins 780 000

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years ago

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so again so someone can sort you know

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you can kind of say well where are you

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starting this and that's important to

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where we are looking geographically

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and and what kind of human we're looking

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at right so it does shift and i think

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the um

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the out of africa and the the greater

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evolutionary story

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kind of informs us of that timeline that

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narrative

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but then we have to choose from it what

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is important and obviously the newer

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book really is a focus more on

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homo sapiens and our story yeah so

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that's where we should go i

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i don't want to hold back or like bury

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the lead here

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tell us about the shift to 780

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000 years ago and why you think

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that needs to be taken seriously how you

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originally

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kind of came to even entertain the idea

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and then specifically and that's what we

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really tried to capture in our previous

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interview

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on skeptico and in this new release of

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780 000

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is how you proved it because you went

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about

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proving it as in nasa documents

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archaeological finds you know published

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work

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you proved it in that way so

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tell us that the big picture there

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yeah i mean one of the interesting

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things that happened and again it's

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still quite recent you know it's funny

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how sometimes

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uh synchronous events flow because until

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very recently last few years

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it was understood that homo sapiens

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emerged around about 400 000 years ago

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something like that

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that we split off from neanderthals and

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you know denisovans

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but then they found the oldest dna ever

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from any humans

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which came from a sign spain called suma

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de los vesas the

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and they managed to get a sample of dna

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that was about 430 000 years old

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now it turned out that that was from an

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early neanderthal ancestor

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and and really it was so far along the

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evolutionary routes becoming a

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neanderthal as we'd understand that it

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pushed back

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the split between neanderthals earth and

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denisovans all the way back to

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at least 550 to 750 000 years ago so it

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was like a massive rewrite

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since then there's been other studies

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there's a comparative

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study of different craniums and jaws

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teeth that pushed it to around nine

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hundred thousand

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and some dna sampling of denisovans

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suggesting a hundred thousand i mean

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some of these days they're never

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absolutely precise they give you a range

545
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but in the middle of these ranges you

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keep coming to around this 800 000

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and now that ties in nicely with cranial

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fines that we already had in the the

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record which showed that around 800 000

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years ago

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hold on because we are kind of burying

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the lead on people and i get

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that you can't tell the story and that

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and we're trying to squeeze it down

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but you started with 780

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000 because you were told

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you were told that this information was

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passed to you

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again and as russ said in a way that

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we're

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gets into the metaphysical and the

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psychic and the stuff like this

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and it gets into connection with el

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trianga

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objects that somehow have an ability to

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communicate

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all this kind of crazy stuff so i think

568
00:19:02,870 --> 00:19:01,919
you immediately go to the science stuff

569
00:19:04,470 --> 00:19:02,880
because we love that

570
00:19:06,310 --> 00:19:04,480
we all love that we want to hear that

571
00:19:08,150 --> 00:19:06,320
you can back it up but we are kind of

572
00:19:09,430 --> 00:19:08,160
bearing the lead because you started

573
00:19:11,270 --> 00:19:09,440
with this information

574
00:19:12,630 --> 00:19:11,280
whispered in your ear if you will that

575
00:19:15,270 --> 00:19:12,640
said it all

576
00:19:16,710 --> 00:19:15,280
started 780 thousand years ago now you

577
00:19:19,190 --> 00:19:16,720
bruce need to go prove that

578
00:19:20,710 --> 00:19:19,200
and you did yeah that's the interesting

579
00:19:22,390 --> 00:19:20,720
yes we could say it's down the other way

580
00:19:23,029 --> 00:19:22,400
so i'm giving you the what's happened

581
00:19:24,950 --> 00:19:23,039
since

582
00:19:26,070 --> 00:19:24,960
we got that date the fundamental science

583
00:19:27,669 --> 00:19:26,080
has come in

584
00:19:29,110 --> 00:19:27,679
to match it but you're right that we

585
00:19:29,669 --> 00:19:29,120
already had a date that we were looking

586
00:19:35,190 --> 00:19:29,679
at

587
00:19:39,110 --> 00:19:35,200
thousand years ago

588
00:19:40,710 --> 00:19:39,120
coming to us via an interaction

589
00:19:43,029 --> 00:19:40,720
between an individual in australia named

590
00:19:45,669 --> 00:19:43,039
valerie barrow and an artifact

591
00:19:46,390 --> 00:19:45,679
which is a considered to be a highly

592
00:19:49,750 --> 00:19:46,400
sacred

593
00:19:51,990 --> 00:19:49,760
artifact of the araente people

594
00:19:53,909 --> 00:19:52,000
who language group that centers around

595
00:19:55,110 --> 00:19:53,919
central australia uluru some of the

596
00:19:57,270 --> 00:19:55,120
regions around there

597
00:19:58,870 --> 00:19:57,280
that they have these artifacts their own

598
00:20:01,990 --> 00:19:58,880
law says

599
00:20:02,549 --> 00:20:02,000
are embodiments of beings from the first

600
00:20:06,789 --> 00:20:02,559
time

601
00:20:09,270 --> 00:20:06,799
that these are literally

602
00:20:10,149 --> 00:20:09,280
living entities in the in a form that

603
00:20:12,630 --> 00:20:10,159
will persist

604
00:20:14,149 --> 00:20:12,640
against time and where and that they

605
00:20:16,549 --> 00:20:14,159
took on those forms in that creation

606
00:20:17,750 --> 00:20:16,559
and that these carry information down

607
00:20:19,750 --> 00:20:17,760
through the ages

608
00:20:21,270 --> 00:20:19,760
and they are usually you they're kept in

609
00:20:22,950 --> 00:20:21,280
caves they're kept away from people they

610
00:20:24,310 --> 00:20:22,960
can only be handled by the elders do

611
00:20:25,350 --> 00:20:24,320
what we call clever fellas

612
00:20:27,190 --> 00:20:25,360
and basically what we think of the

613
00:20:29,669 --> 00:20:27,200
shamans who are the only people who can

614
00:20:31,909 --> 00:20:29,679
interact with these because they're so

615
00:20:33,430 --> 00:20:31,919
highly sacred but possibly for other

616
00:20:35,029 --> 00:20:33,440
reasons you know may even be dangerous i

617
00:20:36,390 --> 00:20:35,039
mean there's an indication that

618
00:20:38,390 --> 00:20:36,400
a lot of people be scared of these they

619
00:20:40,789 --> 00:20:38,400
wouldn't really want to go near them

620
00:20:42,549 --> 00:20:40,799
now i suggest that this could be

621
00:20:44,789 --> 00:20:42,559
something like a bracewell probe

622
00:20:46,950 --> 00:20:44,799
which is an extraterrestrial technology

623
00:20:50,549 --> 00:20:46,960
which would be left on a planet

624
00:20:52,870 --> 00:20:50,559
hypothesis uh kind of sci-fi

625
00:20:54,470 --> 00:20:52,880
idea that hey if you're going to explore

626
00:20:56,870 --> 00:20:54,480
space what you might do

627
00:20:58,070 --> 00:20:56,880
is just shoot these probes out there

628
00:21:01,510 --> 00:20:58,080
have them land

629
00:21:02,390 --> 00:21:01,520
and then come to life and wake up and

630
00:21:04,470 --> 00:21:02,400
you know echo

631
00:21:05,430 --> 00:21:04,480
tell me what time it is kind of thing

632
00:21:07,510 --> 00:21:05,440
and that this

633
00:21:09,990 --> 00:21:07,520
is kind of like that because it starts

634
00:21:11,430 --> 00:21:10,000
spewing out all this information about

635
00:21:13,430 --> 00:21:11,440
what's going to happen in the world and

636
00:21:15,110 --> 00:21:13,440
what you need to do and then it starts

637
00:21:16,870 --> 00:21:15,120
working your way into your dreams and

638
00:21:18,789 --> 00:21:16,880
into danny your wife's

639
00:21:20,070 --> 00:21:18,799
dreams and other interactions and you

640
00:21:23,669 --> 00:21:20,080
have this

641
00:21:26,390 --> 00:21:23,679
in the in 780 you know you tell about

642
00:21:27,110 --> 00:21:26,400
where you're almost brought to tears by

643
00:21:30,549 --> 00:21:27,120
the fact

644
00:21:32,950 --> 00:21:30,559
that what you're finding is matching

645
00:21:35,350 --> 00:21:32,960
what you've had these visions of for so

646
00:21:37,590 --> 00:21:35,360
long so it's again this blending of the

647
00:21:40,950 --> 00:21:37,600
science with this

648
00:21:42,950 --> 00:21:40,960
extra extended consciousness

649
00:21:44,470 --> 00:21:42,960
kind of input that you're getting which

650
00:21:47,110 --> 00:21:44,480
really is is

651
00:21:48,950 --> 00:21:47,120
so fascinating yeah yeah that was years

652
00:21:51,669 --> 00:21:48,960
before in 2002

653
00:21:53,190 --> 00:21:51,679
around 2002 that i'd had an experience

654
00:21:55,750 --> 00:21:53,200
doing a sort of shamanic

655
00:21:58,630 --> 00:21:55,760
journey altered state journey in which

656
00:22:00,950 --> 00:21:58,640
i'd experienced myself as being

657
00:22:03,029 --> 00:22:00,960
an entity a tall human identity on a

658
00:22:04,470 --> 00:22:03,039
craft coming towards the earth

659
00:22:06,950 --> 00:22:04,480
knowing that there'd been some kind of

660
00:22:09,430 --> 00:22:06,960
an event in which a lot of other

661
00:22:10,710 --> 00:22:09,440
fellow beings had been destroyed feeling

662
00:22:12,789 --> 00:22:10,720
that as though being there

663
00:22:14,310 --> 00:22:12,799
not like you know um a conventional

664
00:22:15,270 --> 00:22:14,320
memory but experiencing it that you're

665
00:22:17,430 --> 00:22:15,280
there it's

666
00:22:19,430 --> 00:22:17,440
you this is happening now that you're

667
00:22:21,110 --> 00:22:19,440
aware of what's just happened

668
00:22:24,070 --> 00:22:21,120
on all of that and that lasted probably

669
00:22:25,669 --> 00:22:24,080
for a couple of minutes at most

670
00:22:27,350 --> 00:22:25,679
now i had no contact for it you know

671
00:22:28,710 --> 00:22:27,360
this is 2002

672
00:22:30,390 --> 00:22:28,720
and then all these years later sort of

673
00:22:32,549 --> 00:22:30,400
in 2013

674
00:22:34,149 --> 00:22:32,559
i first became aware of this this story

675
00:22:35,190 --> 00:22:34,159
you know from barry barrow in her book

676
00:22:37,110 --> 00:22:35,200
you know through

677
00:22:38,470 --> 00:22:37,120
from research in australia just to

678
00:22:40,630 --> 00:22:38,480
clarify that her work was published in

679
00:22:42,390 --> 00:22:40,640
2003 around the time that i was having

680
00:22:45,110 --> 00:22:42,400
that experience funnily enough so

681
00:22:46,789 --> 00:22:45,120
it may even be the same sort of time

682
00:22:50,149 --> 00:22:46,799
she's writing the book which is kind of

683
00:22:51,750 --> 00:22:50,159
intriguing um and that that

684
00:22:53,350 --> 00:22:51,760
meshed up with the information in her

685
00:22:53,990 --> 00:22:53,360
book that there was these beings in

686
00:22:56,230 --> 00:22:54,000
craft coming

687
00:22:57,510 --> 00:22:56,240
down from this exploded mother ships and

688
00:22:59,990 --> 00:22:57,520
lobbyings had died

689
00:23:01,669 --> 00:23:00,000
uh even the clothes i was wearing meshed

690
00:23:03,830 --> 00:23:01,679
up to the descriptions in her book

691
00:23:05,350 --> 00:23:03,840
so it was it was bizarre now you could

692
00:23:06,310 --> 00:23:05,360
classically say you know past life

693
00:23:07,909 --> 00:23:06,320
memories

694
00:23:09,350 --> 00:23:07,919
at the same time i'm also aware that you

695
00:23:11,669 --> 00:23:09,360
know you could explain that in other

696
00:23:12,630 --> 00:23:11,679
very strange ways you know is that an

697
00:23:14,789 --> 00:23:12,640
alien technology

698
00:23:17,270 --> 00:23:14,799
hacking into people's brains you know is

699
00:23:18,710 --> 00:23:17,280
there um a spiritual entity that you're

700
00:23:19,830 --> 00:23:18,720
telepathically telling people

701
00:23:21,270 --> 00:23:19,840
you know you can go down lots of

702
00:23:23,029 --> 00:23:21,280
wormholes but by the way it was a very

703
00:23:25,110 --> 00:23:23,039
extraordinary experience which then

704
00:23:27,669 --> 00:23:25,120
linked to information i wouldn't be

705
00:23:30,230 --> 00:23:27,679
previous to for another decade or so

706
00:23:31,990 --> 00:23:30,240
and it turns out that beyond that that

707
00:23:33,909 --> 00:23:32,000
there's actual evidence that supports

708
00:23:35,590 --> 00:23:33,919
both of these accounts so it's an

709
00:23:37,830 --> 00:23:35,600
extraordinary flow

710
00:23:39,270 --> 00:23:37,840
of informational events i've written

711
00:23:42,310 --> 00:23:39,280
about questions i want to ask

712
00:23:44,710 --> 00:23:42,320
about exogenesis but they are kind of

713
00:23:46,070 --> 00:23:44,720
uh i mean like unless somebody's read

714
00:23:47,269 --> 00:23:46,080
the book they will have no idea what

715
00:23:50,470 --> 00:23:47,279
we're talking about so

716
00:23:51,990 --> 00:23:50,480
so maybe uh maybe we

717
00:23:54,070 --> 00:23:52,000
won't do that on this show or maybe i

718
00:23:55,750 --> 00:23:54,080
can try to get into some of it uh

719
00:23:57,110 --> 00:23:55,760
based on stuff you say but i think i

720
00:23:58,630 --> 00:23:57,120
don't know how alex how do you want to

721
00:23:59,269 --> 00:23:58,640
handle it do we assume that people who

722
00:24:02,630 --> 00:23:59,279
are

723
00:24:04,710 --> 00:24:02,640
work i

724
00:24:07,029 --> 00:24:04,720
apologize if it's somewhat disjointed or

725
00:24:10,390 --> 00:24:07,039
if it moves us too far in the story but

726
00:24:11,909 --> 00:24:10,400
i'll play a clip from the 780 000 movie

727
00:24:15,330 --> 00:24:11,919
and then we'll hear from bruce

728
00:24:17,029 --> 00:24:15,340
next sound okay guys cool

729
00:24:18,230 --> 00:24:17,039
[Music]

730
00:24:20,710 --> 00:24:18,240
now of course there's a much bigger

731
00:24:21,510 --> 00:24:20,720
story here and credit to valerie you

732
00:24:23,590 --> 00:24:21,520
know she

733
00:24:25,269 --> 00:24:23,600
details all of that in her book which

734
00:24:27,669 --> 00:24:25,279
people can read

735
00:24:28,870 --> 00:24:27,679
but my interest was in these major

736
00:24:31,510 --> 00:24:28,880
events because

737
00:24:32,549 --> 00:24:31,520
i felt there was the potential to be

738
00:24:34,549 --> 00:24:32,559
signatures

739
00:24:35,750 --> 00:24:34,559
in the geological records and in your

740
00:24:37,750 --> 00:24:35,760
academic papers

741
00:24:39,590 --> 00:24:37,760
that i could go away and look for

742
00:24:42,310 --> 00:24:39,600
evidence of this

743
00:24:44,630 --> 00:24:42,320
suddenly i had an understanding of a

744
00:24:46,470 --> 00:24:44,640
whole series of synchronous events in my

745
00:24:48,310 --> 00:24:46,480
life going back to years

746
00:24:50,870 --> 00:24:48,320
now going all the way back to the events

747
00:24:53,190 --> 00:24:50,880
in around 2002 when i had this

748
00:24:54,149 --> 00:24:53,200
shamanic journey experience where i had

749
00:24:55,990 --> 00:24:54,159
seen

750
00:24:58,870 --> 00:24:56,000
you know an alien craft basically coming

751
00:25:02,630 --> 00:25:00,950
now bruce maybe you could give folks a

752
00:25:05,430 --> 00:25:02,640
high level recap

753
00:25:05,909 --> 00:25:05,440
of what you thought you might be able to

754
00:25:07,350 --> 00:25:05,919
prove

755
00:25:08,789 --> 00:25:07,360
so i mean yeah from the event that we

756
00:25:10,230 --> 00:25:08,799
just you know discussed already with

757
00:25:12,470 --> 00:25:10,240
what i had happened to me

758
00:25:14,390 --> 00:25:12,480
see that you could say influenced me to

759
00:25:15,430 --> 00:25:14,400
take more seriously um valerie's

760
00:25:17,029 --> 00:25:15,440
accounts

761
00:25:19,350 --> 00:25:17,039
in terms of that was what was in her

762
00:25:20,390 --> 00:25:19,360
book which is that there is a craft that

763
00:25:23,269 --> 00:25:20,400
comes here

764
00:25:24,549 --> 00:25:23,279
a crystalline craft which is destroyed

765
00:25:26,390 --> 00:25:24,559
in orbit

766
00:25:27,590 --> 00:25:26,400
vast you know not like a little tiny

767
00:25:28,950 --> 00:25:27,600
flying saucer this is

768
00:25:30,870 --> 00:25:28,960
since you've had fifty thousand beings

769
00:25:31,990 --> 00:25:30,880
on board very large craft with smaller

770
00:25:34,630 --> 00:25:32,000
craft on board

771
00:25:36,070 --> 00:25:34,640
it's destroyed in orbit there is just a

772
00:25:38,149 --> 00:25:36,080
well there's a few that survive they

773
00:25:40,470 --> 00:25:38,159
come down that they are involved in

774
00:25:41,350 --> 00:25:40,480
genetically modifying existing hominins

775
00:25:43,430 --> 00:25:41,360
on this planet

776
00:25:45,669 --> 00:25:43,440
to sort of upgrade them if you like and

777
00:25:47,990 --> 00:25:45,679
at five years later that there is a

778
00:25:49,110 --> 00:25:48,000
event involving a multi-directional

779
00:25:51,909 --> 00:25:49,120
asteroid

780
00:25:54,310 --> 00:25:51,919
impact of this planet that is engineered

781
00:25:57,830 --> 00:25:54,320
by extraterrestrials now these were free

782
00:26:00,070 --> 00:25:57,840
obviously radical and enormous kind of

783
00:26:01,430 --> 00:26:00,080
you know impactful events in our history

784
00:26:05,110 --> 00:26:01,440
if they were real

785
00:26:07,590 --> 00:26:05,120
so they stood out to me as being

786
00:26:09,110 --> 00:26:07,600
potentially provable in ways that most

787
00:26:10,070 --> 00:26:09,120
things aren't you know so he says that

788
00:26:11,750 --> 00:26:10,080
there was a being and

789
00:26:12,789 --> 00:26:11,760
he did this he did that okay you're not

790
00:26:14,390 --> 00:26:12,799
gonna find the bones you're not gonna

791
00:26:16,149 --> 00:26:14,400
find the evidence of that

792
00:26:18,149 --> 00:26:16,159
you know if there's something on a big

793
00:26:20,470 --> 00:26:18,159
scale something exploding in orbit

794
00:26:22,149 --> 00:26:20,480
meteorites impacting you know uh

795
00:26:23,350 --> 00:26:22,159
modificating the genome those three

796
00:26:24,630 --> 00:26:23,360
things stood out to me as being

797
00:26:27,830 --> 00:26:24,640
potentially

798
00:26:28,549 --> 00:26:27,840
uh evidential so one of the things we

799
00:26:32,149 --> 00:26:28,559
talk about

800
00:26:35,430 --> 00:26:32,159
a lot in the in the film is this

801
00:26:37,190 --> 00:26:35,440
uh tektite thing and uh

802
00:26:38,549 --> 00:26:37,200
maybe you want to tell people a little

803
00:26:40,549 --> 00:26:38,559
bit about

804
00:26:41,909 --> 00:26:40,559
high level and then get into the details

805
00:26:45,669 --> 00:26:41,919
of what is a

806
00:26:48,230 --> 00:26:45,679
tech tight and why

807
00:26:48,710 --> 00:26:48,240
it was a real mystery it was a mystery

808
00:26:52,230 --> 00:26:48,720
in

809
00:26:55,430 --> 00:26:52,240
decided to

810
00:26:57,190 --> 00:26:55,440
look into this and then what is what is

811
00:26:59,430 --> 00:26:57,200
the mystery surrounding them why is it

812
00:27:00,870 --> 00:26:59,440
so important to this story

813
00:27:03,430 --> 00:27:00,880
yeah absolutely i mean to be honest in

814
00:27:06,710 --> 00:27:03,440
some respects the austrolite mystery

815
00:27:07,590 --> 00:27:06,720
you know is deserving football analysis

816
00:27:10,470 --> 00:27:07,600
on his own

817
00:27:10,950 --> 00:27:10,480
uh irrespective of any stories about uh

818
00:27:12,470 --> 00:27:10,960
you know

819
00:27:15,110 --> 00:27:12,480
visitations and genetic engineering or

820
00:27:17,990 --> 00:27:15,120
any of that um because you have there

821
00:27:19,350 --> 00:27:18,000
a event which has been known to science

822
00:27:23,029 --> 00:27:19,360
for 100 years

823
00:27:24,789 --> 00:27:23,039
not explained away despite all kinds of

824
00:27:26,070 --> 00:27:24,799
teams of you know geologists and

825
00:27:27,190 --> 00:27:26,080
physicists master and

826
00:27:28,950 --> 00:27:27,200
all sorts of people have thrown their

827
00:27:30,789 --> 00:27:28,960
minds at this because we have something

828
00:27:32,230 --> 00:27:30,799
that's happened 780 000 years ago it's

829
00:27:35,269 --> 00:27:32,240
been well dated

830
00:27:37,190 --> 00:27:35,279
we have this creation of this material

831
00:27:38,070 --> 00:27:37,200
this australia tech type spread all

832
00:27:40,630 --> 00:27:38,080
across this

833
00:27:41,750 --> 00:27:40,640
vast region from antarctica up to

834
00:27:43,590 --> 00:27:41,760
southern china

835
00:27:45,190 --> 00:27:43,600
you know in this absolutely huge

836
00:27:47,269 --> 00:27:45,200
enormous debris field

837
00:27:49,029 --> 00:27:47,279
right which does not mesh with any known

838
00:27:50,230 --> 00:27:49,039
previous impact events i mean we have

839
00:27:51,750 --> 00:27:50,240
impacts of

840
00:27:54,070 --> 00:27:51,760
meteorites and asteroids and stuff for

841
00:27:55,990 --> 00:27:54,080
our history we don't see this

842
00:27:57,830 --> 00:27:56,000
kind of debris field we also have this

843
00:27:59,990 --> 00:27:57,840
mysterious material which

844
00:28:01,990 --> 00:28:00,000
not only is it quite clearly a kind of

845
00:28:03,510 --> 00:28:02,000
this glass-like tech type but

846
00:28:05,669 --> 00:28:03,520
in some instances you have in this

847
00:28:07,510 --> 00:28:05,679
button forms where it

848
00:28:09,830 --> 00:28:07,520
definitely has traveled through the

849
00:28:12,230 --> 00:28:09,840
upper atmosphere and entered into our

850
00:28:13,029 --> 00:28:12,240
atmosphere and had secondary melting on

851
00:28:15,350 --> 00:28:13,039
its way down

852
00:28:16,870 --> 00:28:15,360
they actually look kind of like little

853
00:28:19,269 --> 00:28:16,880
flying saucers

854
00:28:20,149 --> 00:28:19,279
they do ironically yeah they do and it's

855
00:28:22,470 --> 00:28:20,159
not even so

856
00:28:23,990 --> 00:28:22,480
ironic when you break it down which you

857
00:28:25,750 --> 00:28:24,000
do just beautifully

858
00:28:28,149 --> 00:28:25,760
so again you know you think of a craft

859
00:28:30,710 --> 00:28:28,159
design like a nose cone of a rocket

860
00:28:32,310 --> 00:28:30,720
is dealing with the aerodynamic forces

861
00:28:33,990 --> 00:28:32,320
entering our atmosphere

862
00:28:36,230 --> 00:28:34,000
so that's why we see this and so again

863
00:28:38,230 --> 00:28:36,240
if you're looking at spaceships whether

864
00:28:39,909 --> 00:28:38,240
human or extraterrestrial then there's

865
00:28:41,269 --> 00:28:39,919
probably some sense to the fact you see

866
00:28:42,470 --> 00:28:41,279
these kind of shapes

867
00:28:44,389 --> 00:28:42,480
because again if you're if you're

868
00:28:45,590 --> 00:28:44,399
entering atmospheres you know in a

869
00:28:47,909 --> 00:28:45,600
conventional sense

870
00:28:49,190 --> 00:28:47,919
that you would have aerodynamic shaping

871
00:28:50,630 --> 00:28:49,200
so yeah and there's

872
00:28:53,029 --> 00:28:50,640
another interesting thing about them is

873
00:28:53,909 --> 00:28:53,039
that they they had a two-stage shaping

874
00:28:55,510 --> 00:28:53,919
process

875
00:28:56,630 --> 00:28:55,520
that's right uh that you sort of detail

876
00:28:59,510 --> 00:28:56,640
in the book that like they look they

877
00:29:02,230 --> 00:28:59,520
appear to have started out as spheres

878
00:29:03,190 --> 00:29:02,240
you know and a crystalline sphere can't

879
00:29:06,230 --> 00:29:03,200
form

880
00:29:07,669 --> 00:29:06,240
uh on the ground in the sense that it

881
00:29:09,669 --> 00:29:07,679
will it won't be a sphere

882
00:29:12,230 --> 00:29:09,679
but you know liquid spheres form in

883
00:29:13,990 --> 00:29:12,240
space in a zero-g environment and then

884
00:29:15,190 --> 00:29:14,000
it has a secondary shaping process which

885
00:29:16,710 --> 00:29:15,200
is the re-entry part

886
00:29:19,110 --> 00:29:16,720
where the sphere is sort of reshaped

887
00:29:20,630 --> 00:29:19,120
into this uh aerodynamic shape

888
00:29:22,470 --> 00:29:20,640
and even you were saying in the book

889
00:29:24,470 --> 00:29:22,480
that nasa studied some of these shapes

890
00:29:27,029 --> 00:29:24,480
to make their re-entry vehicles

891
00:29:29,029 --> 00:29:27,039
uh because they were they were they were

892
00:29:31,269 --> 00:29:29,039
set up for the re-entry you know

893
00:29:32,230 --> 00:29:31,279
affecting the atmosphere yeah from my

894
00:29:34,389 --> 00:29:32,240
understanding yeah they

895
00:29:35,269 --> 00:29:34,399
sort of realize teams are involved in

896
00:29:37,190 --> 00:29:35,279
designing these

897
00:29:39,029 --> 00:29:37,200
vehicles they obviously noticed the

898
00:29:40,870 --> 00:29:39,039
similarity that this

899
00:29:42,710 --> 00:29:40,880
looks like it has that look of having

900
00:29:44,870 --> 00:29:42,720
entered the atmosphere so they were very

901
00:29:46,549 --> 00:29:44,880
intrigued and very interested and that's

902
00:29:47,590 --> 00:29:46,559
how nasa sort of got involved with it

903
00:29:49,990 --> 00:29:47,600
there's been a

904
00:29:52,310 --> 00:29:50,000
various nasa associated studies of

905
00:29:54,070 --> 00:29:52,320
australia tech types by different people

906
00:29:55,350 --> 00:29:54,080
um they've basically included that yeah

907
00:29:58,389 --> 00:29:55,360
they has to have come from a

908
00:30:01,269 --> 00:29:58,399
source body that was in orbit

909
00:30:01,830 --> 00:30:01,279
uh that was superheated in some way you

910
00:30:04,230 --> 00:30:01,840
know

911
00:30:06,070 --> 00:30:04,240
reduced to a molten liquid glass and

912
00:30:06,470 --> 00:30:06,080
that that then cools into these fears he

913
00:30:08,070 --> 00:30:06,480
said

914
00:30:10,310 --> 00:30:08,080
and then as these enter and they have to

915
00:30:10,870 --> 00:30:10,320
enter quite slowly at a fairly gentle

916
00:30:12,149 --> 00:30:10,880
angle

917
00:30:14,230 --> 00:30:12,159
that they can't you know they don't come

918
00:30:15,029 --> 00:30:14,240
in fast and hot like we have meteorites

919
00:30:16,230 --> 00:30:15,039
and asteroids

920
00:30:17,750 --> 00:30:16,240
that these have to come in at a fairly

921
00:30:19,269 --> 00:30:17,760
gentle angle that's why we have this the

922
00:30:21,269 --> 00:30:19,279
time for secondary melting and the

923
00:30:22,149 --> 00:30:21,279
running of a liquid glass to the back

924
00:30:24,230 --> 00:30:22,159
forming these

925
00:30:25,990 --> 00:30:24,240
shapes anything that comes in a very

926
00:30:27,510 --> 00:30:26,000
very fast and a steep angle

927
00:30:29,669 --> 00:30:27,520
what happens instead is you have the

928
00:30:31,750 --> 00:30:29,679
evaporation of the surface layers and

929
00:30:33,430 --> 00:30:31,760
extraordinary heat from the friction

930
00:30:35,350 --> 00:30:33,440
and that just evaporates off you don't

931
00:30:36,470 --> 00:30:35,360
really get much liquid that liquidation

932
00:30:38,710 --> 00:30:36,480
process can't really happen unless you

933
00:30:39,830 --> 00:30:38,720
have a gentle slow entry

934
00:30:41,350 --> 00:30:39,840
that ties into what you're just

935
00:30:42,549 --> 00:30:41,360
mentioning there bruce and i don't want

936
00:30:44,230 --> 00:30:42,559
to gloss over it because there's like a

937
00:30:46,070 --> 00:30:44,240
million points here we can't possibly

938
00:30:49,190 --> 00:30:46,080
cover them all today folks but

939
00:30:50,470 --> 00:30:49,200
this idea of an orbiting object which is

940
00:30:52,710 --> 00:30:50,480
really strange because

941
00:30:53,750 --> 00:30:52,720
again i didn't know this stuff i learned

942
00:30:57,269 --> 00:30:53,760
it from you

943
00:31:00,710 --> 00:30:57,279
but you can't have an orbiting

944
00:31:03,190 --> 00:31:00,720
object that that doesn't fit the profile

945
00:31:03,990 --> 00:31:03,200
of a spacecraft i mean nothing else i'm

946
00:31:06,230 --> 00:31:04,000
saying that backwards

947
00:31:07,509 --> 00:31:06,240
but nothing else fits that profile of an

948
00:31:10,870 --> 00:31:07,519
orbiting object

949
00:31:13,350 --> 00:31:10,880
quite as nicely as this large

950
00:31:14,230 --> 00:31:13,360
crystalline object that's you're talking

951
00:31:16,830 --> 00:31:14,240
about

952
00:31:19,590 --> 00:31:16,840
yeah essentially you have to get into

953
00:31:21,269 --> 00:31:19,600
extraordinary mathematical odds

954
00:31:22,630 --> 00:31:21,279
for the earth to capture any

955
00:31:25,350 --> 00:31:22,640
significantly

956
00:31:25,909 --> 00:31:25,360
large body you know it's so unlikely

957
00:31:27,590 --> 00:31:25,919
that

958
00:31:29,350 --> 00:31:27,600
in many mainstream sources i looked at

959
00:31:31,269 --> 00:31:29,360
they just discount it you know others

960
00:31:32,870 --> 00:31:31,279
say that you know it's just within the

961
00:31:33,190 --> 00:31:32,880
realms of possibility if something came

962
00:31:34,870 --> 00:31:33,200
in

963
00:31:35,990 --> 00:31:34,880
at exactly the right angle the right

964
00:31:37,590 --> 00:31:36,000
size you know there's so many

965
00:31:40,070 --> 00:31:37,600
considerations so essentially

966
00:31:41,669 --> 00:31:40,080
we don't expect this to happen that we

967
00:31:43,590 --> 00:31:41,679
have very small objects

968
00:31:46,710 --> 00:31:43,600
car sized asteroids and things like

969
00:31:48,870 --> 00:31:46,720
those do get captured and respectively

970
00:31:50,549 --> 00:31:48,880
large planets like jupiter and saturn

971
00:31:52,789 --> 00:31:50,559
they sometimes capture

972
00:31:54,310 --> 00:31:52,799
larger asteroids and comets temporarily

973
00:31:56,549 --> 00:31:54,320
usually

974
00:31:58,389 --> 00:31:56,559
but earth it's not expected to happen so

975
00:32:00,070 --> 00:31:58,399
it was quite extraordinary to find that

976
00:32:01,830 --> 00:32:00,080
you know again which points to that we

977
00:32:03,669 --> 00:32:01,840
have something very unusual just in the

978
00:32:05,430 --> 00:32:03,679
fact that a large body

979
00:32:07,669 --> 00:32:05,440
is now orbiting the planet and then it

980
00:32:10,470 --> 00:32:07,679
turns out that the content the silica

981
00:32:10,789 --> 00:32:10,480
is too high at around 75 80 percent we

982
00:32:12,630 --> 00:32:10,799
find

983
00:32:14,870 --> 00:32:12,640
asteroids are limited to about 60

984
00:32:16,630 --> 00:32:14,880
percent that we don't know of any

985
00:32:18,389 --> 00:32:16,640
natural bodies out there that are over

986
00:32:19,990 --> 00:32:18,399
60 percent similar so when you start

987
00:32:20,789 --> 00:32:20,000
putting these kind of factors together

988
00:32:25,110 --> 00:32:20,799
you have this very

989
00:32:27,430 --> 00:32:25,120
unlikely object which is now in orbit

990
00:32:28,630 --> 00:32:27,440
you know and precisely the same times

991
00:32:30,230 --> 00:32:28,640
you have

992
00:32:31,750 --> 00:32:30,240
a line of extraordinary events you know

993
00:32:33,590 --> 00:32:31,760
a magnetic pole reversal

994
00:32:35,269 --> 00:32:33,600
the emergence of homo sapiens uh an

995
00:32:36,630 --> 00:32:35,279
asteroid bombardment what is going on

996
00:32:37,029 --> 00:32:36,640
you know once you start factoring that

997
00:32:39,430 --> 00:32:37,039
in

998
00:32:40,149 --> 00:32:39,440
and and just to pull back the lens even

999
00:32:43,190 --> 00:32:40,159
further

1000
00:32:46,950 --> 00:32:43,200
we're talking about i mean a geological

1001
00:32:48,630 --> 00:32:46,960
event here that is in a scale that we're

1002
00:32:51,190 --> 00:32:48,640
looking at millions of years

1003
00:32:52,549 --> 00:32:51,200
so like i mean science is looking at

1004
00:32:54,310 --> 00:32:52,559
millions of years

1005
00:32:55,909 --> 00:32:54,320
and saying okay we've seen these

1006
00:32:56,789 --> 00:32:55,919
different things fall from the sky and

1007
00:32:59,669 --> 00:32:56,799
they're going

1008
00:33:00,470 --> 00:32:59,679
wow but this is the only time we can see

1009
00:33:02,870 --> 00:33:00,480
something

1010
00:33:04,549 --> 00:33:02,880
exactly like this that has ever happened

1011
00:33:08,230 --> 00:33:04,559
in this particular place

1012
00:33:09,350 --> 00:33:08,240
only once and it happened at exactly

1013
00:33:11,110 --> 00:33:09,360
this time

1014
00:33:13,909 --> 00:33:11,120
that we were looking for i mean i don't

1015
00:33:17,190 --> 00:33:13,919
think well how did that strike you guys

1016
00:33:18,070 --> 00:33:17,200
in terms of being extraordinary or being

1017
00:33:21,269 --> 00:33:18,080
well

1018
00:33:22,710 --> 00:33:21,279
show me more no i i the this part about

1019
00:33:25,350 --> 00:33:22,720
the tektites

1020
00:33:27,190 --> 00:33:25,360
uh the fact that you know it's the

1021
00:33:28,789 --> 00:33:27,200
objects seem to be moving too slowly

1022
00:33:32,230 --> 00:33:28,799
like he was saying to be a normal

1023
00:33:33,909 --> 00:33:32,240
cometary or asteroidal body impact those

1024
00:33:35,669 --> 00:33:33,919
those move really quickly you know when

1025
00:33:37,110 --> 00:33:35,679
they when they imp when they come into

1026
00:33:40,149 --> 00:33:37,120
the atmosphere number one

1027
00:33:42,070 --> 00:33:40,159
they don't start out molten that's

1028
00:33:43,350 --> 00:33:42,080
that's one one point number two they

1029
00:33:45,350 --> 00:33:43,360
come in so fast that

1030
00:33:46,710 --> 00:33:45,360
a lot of times depending on the angle of

1031
00:33:48,470 --> 00:33:46,720
impact they're only in the atmosphere

1032
00:33:51,350 --> 00:33:48,480
for a couple of seconds before they

1033
00:33:52,789 --> 00:33:51,360
make landfall what about the fact making

1034
00:33:55,190 --> 00:33:52,799
landfall what about the fact that

1035
00:33:58,149 --> 00:33:55,200
there's no crater

1036
00:33:58,789 --> 00:33:58,159
yeah as bruce points out you know later

1037
00:34:00,549 --> 00:33:58,799
is that

1038
00:34:02,389 --> 00:34:00,559
anything when you start talking about

1039
00:34:05,029 --> 00:34:02,399
things this size and then you go over to

1040
00:34:06,149 --> 00:34:05,039
uh uh laos which where we start seeing

1041
00:34:07,830 --> 00:34:06,159
these bigger

1042
00:34:09,430 --> 00:34:07,840
objects and they're huge you know

1043
00:34:11,510 --> 00:34:09,440
they're 20 kilograms

1044
00:34:12,629 --> 00:34:11,520
but there's no crater and bruce didn't

1045
00:34:14,869 --> 00:34:12,639
you say that

1046
00:34:17,270 --> 00:34:14,879
that we would estimate the crater to be

1047
00:34:20,310 --> 00:34:17,280
like dinosaurs

1048
00:34:22,069 --> 00:34:20,320
extinction size thing yeah it was either

1049
00:34:23,990 --> 00:34:22,079
40 kilometers or 40 miles across you

1050
00:34:26,310 --> 00:34:24,000
know so like a vast

1051
00:34:28,069 --> 00:34:26,320
vast sized you know and because it's

1052
00:34:29,190 --> 00:34:28,079
supposed to young at 780 000 years

1053
00:34:31,030 --> 00:34:29,200
obviously we can find

1054
00:34:32,389 --> 00:34:31,040
impact sites from millions and millions

1055
00:34:34,470 --> 00:34:32,399
of years ago so

1056
00:34:35,990 --> 00:34:34,480
this was really problematic it's been

1057
00:34:37,510 --> 00:34:36,000
you know a head scratcher for the

1058
00:34:39,750 --> 00:34:37,520
geologists for

1059
00:34:41,109 --> 00:34:39,760
well it just fits perfectly with with

1060
00:34:43,190 --> 00:34:41,119
your theory right

1061
00:34:45,190 --> 00:34:43,200
it's that if it's a spacecraft that was

1062
00:34:46,550 --> 00:34:45,200
blown up in space there's no crater it's

1063
00:34:47,109 --> 00:34:46,560
all this little debris that's thrown

1064
00:34:49,270 --> 00:34:47,119
around

1065
00:34:50,869 --> 00:34:49,280
versus if it's a big rock up there it

1066
00:34:53,829 --> 00:34:50,879
comes down and it

1067
00:34:55,589 --> 00:34:53,839
slams into the slams into the earth but

1068
00:34:57,030 --> 00:34:55,599
i'm sorry guys i kind of

1069
00:34:58,470 --> 00:34:57,040
cut it off a little bit short what else

1070
00:34:59,670 --> 00:34:58,480
did you think about that and or the

1071
00:35:01,750 --> 00:34:59,680
crater

1072
00:35:03,670 --> 00:35:01,760
well i really think the idea is awesome

1073
00:35:06,230 --> 00:35:03,680
but my brain immediately goes into

1074
00:35:08,550 --> 00:35:06,240
trying to figure out how it could not be

1075
00:35:09,510 --> 00:35:08,560
aliens right you know that's right you

1076
00:35:11,030 --> 00:35:09,520
should

1077
00:35:12,550 --> 00:35:11,040
i you know it's just what happens and

1078
00:35:13,750 --> 00:35:12,560
i'm imagining well there could have been

1079
00:35:16,150 --> 00:35:13,760
a scenario where

1080
00:35:17,109 --> 00:35:16,160
there was an impact which is extremely

1081
00:35:20,630 --> 00:35:17,119
unlikely between

1082
00:35:24,470 --> 00:35:20,640
two uh cometary or or

1083
00:35:26,550 --> 00:35:24,480
you know meteorite or meteor objects

1084
00:35:28,390 --> 00:35:26,560
near the atmosphere at their closest

1085
00:35:31,030 --> 00:35:28,400
approach to earth to slow them down and

1086
00:35:32,950 --> 00:35:31,040
also melt them to create your

1087
00:35:34,950 --> 00:35:32,960
initial molten spheres that then fell

1088
00:35:36,630 --> 00:35:34,960
slowly into the atmosphere

1089
00:35:38,790 --> 00:35:36,640
that doesn't necessarily explain the

1090
00:35:42,710 --> 00:35:38,800
high silica content

1091
00:35:46,390 --> 00:35:42,720
but it could explain a very unlikely

1092
00:35:49,990 --> 00:35:46,400
scenario of slow entry of pre

1093
00:35:51,589 --> 00:35:50,000
molten and then solidified spheres uh

1094
00:35:53,910 --> 00:35:51,599
that were out in space and then fell

1095
00:35:57,510 --> 00:35:53,920
down and re-melted upon entry

1096
00:35:59,030 --> 00:35:57,520
yeah and then there would be no crater

1097
00:36:00,790 --> 00:35:59,040
again again with the idea about

1098
00:36:01,430 --> 00:36:00,800
capturing a body in space you know

1099
00:36:04,550 --> 00:36:01,440
there's

1100
00:36:05,190 --> 00:36:04,560
infinitesimally small chances of things

1101
00:36:07,589 --> 00:36:05,200
happening

1102
00:36:08,710 --> 00:36:07,599
right but what we can look at there is

1103
00:36:10,150 --> 00:36:08,720
that nobody has

1104
00:36:12,390 --> 00:36:10,160
none of the scientists who spent 100

1105
00:36:15,030 --> 00:36:12,400
years on this propose that as

1106
00:36:16,790 --> 00:36:15,040
a possible solution so right one would

1107
00:36:18,550 --> 00:36:16,800
assume that that's because of when you

1108
00:36:20,230 --> 00:36:18,560
put all the evidence together

1109
00:36:22,310 --> 00:36:20,240
that would remain problematic you know

1110
00:36:23,270 --> 00:36:22,320
again apart from the odds of these two

1111
00:36:25,030 --> 00:36:23,280
objects

1112
00:36:26,950 --> 00:36:25,040
happening to here if we think about the

1113
00:36:29,030 --> 00:36:26,960
size of space we think about

1114
00:36:30,310 --> 00:36:29,040
how unlikely it would be for two

1115
00:36:33,030 --> 00:36:30,320
relatively small

1116
00:36:34,310 --> 00:36:33,040
objects in space to hit and just happen

1117
00:36:35,750 --> 00:36:34,320
to hear in

1118
00:36:37,430 --> 00:36:35,760
the upper you know the operations of our

1119
00:36:39,829 --> 00:36:37,440
planet and then

1120
00:36:41,109 --> 00:36:39,839
does the distribution pan fit with that

1121
00:36:42,470 --> 00:36:41,119
you know and as you said if it's two

1122
00:36:43,109 --> 00:36:42,480
different bodies we'd almost expect to

1123
00:36:45,109 --> 00:36:43,119
have

1124
00:36:46,470 --> 00:36:45,119
some of the material that would be

1125
00:36:47,750 --> 00:36:46,480
different would have some of the

1126
00:36:49,190 --> 00:36:47,760
different components because if you have

1127
00:36:51,829 --> 00:36:49,200
some of the original

1128
00:36:53,190 --> 00:36:51,839
body a body b the body a should be a

1129
00:36:55,109 --> 00:36:53,200
different composition to body b

1130
00:36:56,950 --> 00:36:55,119
what you find with osteoporotectide is

1131
00:36:59,109 --> 00:36:56,960
it's very homogeneous

1132
00:37:00,470 --> 00:36:59,119
that throughout the entire mass of this

1133
00:37:02,790 --> 00:37:00,480
material has been found

1134
00:37:03,829 --> 00:37:02,800
it's almost identical in composition

1135
00:37:05,430 --> 00:37:03,839
throughout now

1136
00:37:06,870 --> 00:37:05,440
that's problematic for any of the for

1137
00:37:07,430 --> 00:37:06,880
that scenario but also the impact

1138
00:37:09,990 --> 00:37:07,440
because

1139
00:37:12,870 --> 00:37:10,000
what you expect in a in a really fast

1140
00:37:14,550 --> 00:37:12,880
kind of singular explosion event

1141
00:37:15,910 --> 00:37:14,560
that you should particularly impact that

1142
00:37:16,390 --> 00:37:15,920
you should have some of the material

1143
00:37:19,109 --> 00:37:16,400
that

1144
00:37:20,150 --> 00:37:19,119
is only partly melted or is of different

1145
00:37:21,829 --> 00:37:20,160
compositions you know like if you're

1146
00:37:23,270 --> 00:37:21,839
impacting some granite and sandstone but

1147
00:37:24,790 --> 00:37:23,280
some parts will have more granite

1148
00:37:26,390 --> 00:37:24,800
sometimes have more sandstone some parts

1149
00:37:27,910 --> 00:37:26,400
are partly melted some aren't

1150
00:37:29,349 --> 00:37:27,920
so again if you have two objects here

1151
00:37:31,190 --> 00:37:29,359
and you would expect to be able to

1152
00:37:32,390 --> 00:37:31,200
detect the presence of two original

1153
00:37:34,150 --> 00:37:32,400
source bodies

1154
00:37:35,430 --> 00:37:34,160
that so you know some parts remaining

1155
00:37:36,870 --> 00:37:35,440
from part a and part b

1156
00:37:38,790 --> 00:37:36,880
right right so again because the

1157
00:37:41,510 --> 00:37:38,800
homogeneity of the material

1158
00:37:43,510 --> 00:37:41,520
that really points to being just an

1159
00:37:45,670 --> 00:37:43,520
object superheated

1160
00:37:47,349 --> 00:37:45,680
not encountering material from other

1161
00:37:50,390 --> 00:37:47,359
objects whether the earth

1162
00:37:51,829 --> 00:37:50,400
the moon or another body so that that's

1163
00:37:53,589 --> 00:37:51,839
where it becomes problematic

1164
00:37:55,030 --> 00:37:53,599
and also in fact this homogeneity

1165
00:37:56,550 --> 00:37:55,040
especially the lack of bubbles

1166
00:37:58,150 --> 00:37:56,560
it turns out that this whole thing um

1167
00:37:59,829 --> 00:37:58,160
called i think it's

1168
00:38:01,190 --> 00:37:59,839
moore's law or something like moses law

1169
00:38:03,030 --> 00:38:01,200
or something like what basically that

1170
00:38:04,150 --> 00:38:03,040
if you're creating a class and you want

1171
00:38:05,589 --> 00:38:04,160
to remove all the bubbles you know like

1172
00:38:08,390 --> 00:38:05,599
when we're producing glass

1173
00:38:09,190 --> 00:38:08,400
but you have to have a kind of sustained

1174
00:38:11,190 --> 00:38:09,200
event you know

1175
00:38:13,190 --> 00:38:11,200
you heat the glass for a while and that

1176
00:38:15,349 --> 00:38:13,200
refines it down to this homogenous

1177
00:38:16,790 --> 00:38:15,359
material with very few bubbles

1178
00:38:19,270 --> 00:38:16,800
and uh it's pointed out there in fact

1179
00:38:19,829 --> 00:38:19,280
with with this glass material that we

1180
00:38:21,270 --> 00:38:19,839
have that

1181
00:38:23,670 --> 00:38:21,280
says now this is problematic because in

1182
00:38:26,069 --> 00:38:23,680
an impact you have a singular moment

1183
00:38:27,109 --> 00:38:26,079
of extreme energy extreme heat you know

1184
00:38:29,589 --> 00:38:27,119
extreme pressure

1185
00:38:30,870 --> 00:38:29,599
and that's it that's not how we form

1186
00:38:32,630 --> 00:38:30,880
homogeneous glasses

1187
00:38:34,069 --> 00:38:32,640
they're energized over time and now

1188
00:38:35,109 --> 00:38:34,079
we're told in this original material

1189
00:38:37,750 --> 00:38:35,119
this ship is

1190
00:38:39,430 --> 00:38:37,760
being hit with a sustained energy beam

1191
00:38:41,510 --> 00:38:39,440
that is super heating it

1192
00:38:43,030 --> 00:38:41,520
and he's essentially melting it and

1193
00:38:44,310 --> 00:38:43,040
blows it apart and it turns into this

1194
00:38:46,310 --> 00:38:44,320
homogenous glass

1195
00:38:47,190 --> 00:38:46,320
so that's again this is a funny factor

1196
00:38:48,710 --> 00:38:47,200
that's been pointed out by some of the

1197
00:38:50,550 --> 00:38:48,720
scientists it shouldn't be

1198
00:38:52,630 --> 00:38:50,560
homogenous like this if it's a singular

1199
00:38:53,910 --> 00:38:52,640
just you know impact explosion

1200
00:38:55,670 --> 00:38:53,920
we shouldn't see this because you see a

1201
00:38:56,150 --> 00:38:55,680
lot of bubbles and see a lot of part

1202
00:38:57,510 --> 00:38:56,160
melt

1203
00:38:59,589 --> 00:38:57,520
things like so that again there's a lot

1204
00:39:01,430 --> 00:38:59,599
of science that suggests we have

1205
00:39:02,950 --> 00:39:01,440
something extraordinary happening

1206
00:39:05,349 --> 00:39:02,960
yeah or it could have been heated from

1207
00:39:07,349 --> 00:39:05,359
within the spaceship from whatever

1208
00:39:09,030 --> 00:39:07,359
energy drive it had well yeah this

1209
00:39:09,750 --> 00:39:09,040
explodes there's a nuclear explosion at

1210
00:39:11,829 --> 00:39:09,760
the end

1211
00:39:13,349 --> 00:39:11,839
i mean yeah i want it to be a crystal

1212
00:39:14,069 --> 00:39:13,359
spaceship i'll just tell you straight up

1213
00:39:15,829 --> 00:39:14,079
but no

1214
00:39:17,589 --> 00:39:15,839
don't want it to be do no you don't have

1215
00:39:19,270 --> 00:39:17,599
to see that

1216
00:39:20,790 --> 00:39:19,280
no i mean like say if there's a way to

1217
00:39:22,390 --> 00:39:20,800
explain it in another way but i said

1218
00:39:22,790 --> 00:39:22,400
this is problematic because then you

1219
00:39:24,950 --> 00:39:22,800
need

1220
00:39:26,710 --> 00:39:24,960
what can be a sustained energy event

1221
00:39:29,349 --> 00:39:26,720
that you know other than this

1222
00:39:30,790 --> 00:39:29,359
because if impacts don't explain it what

1223
00:39:32,550 --> 00:39:30,800
are we left with you know

1224
00:39:34,150 --> 00:39:32,560
solar flare or something hitting this

1225
00:39:35,589 --> 00:39:34,160
solution yeah you have to find something

1226
00:39:38,150 --> 00:39:35,599
a mechanism that could

1227
00:39:39,190 --> 00:39:38,160
continually heat this body to make this

1228
00:39:42,870 --> 00:39:39,200
homogenous

1229
00:39:44,950 --> 00:39:42,880
nearly bubble free glass yeah and uh

1230
00:39:46,390 --> 00:39:44,960
you know that the other idea the you

1231
00:39:48,150 --> 00:39:46,400
know the standard model idea for

1232
00:39:49,270 --> 00:39:48,160
tektites is that they're post explosion

1233
00:39:50,230 --> 00:39:49,280
that they're actually supposed to be a

1234
00:39:53,270 --> 00:39:50,240
mixture

1235
00:39:56,310 --> 00:39:53,280
of the impactor and ejecta exactly

1236
00:39:58,630 --> 00:39:56,320
and this this can't melt right and so

1237
00:39:59,750 --> 00:39:58,640
like you were saying the the the this

1238
00:40:02,069 --> 00:39:59,760
material doesn't

1239
00:40:03,190 --> 00:40:02,079
fit that profile because like you said

1240
00:40:04,630 --> 00:40:03,200
it would be a mixture of all this

1241
00:40:06,550 --> 00:40:04,640
different stuff and it's actually too

1242
00:40:07,670 --> 00:40:06,560
homogenous for that yes so it is

1243
00:40:09,829 --> 00:40:07,680
interesting ordinary

1244
00:40:10,710 --> 00:40:09,839
yeah and not just the australia tech

1245
00:40:12,069 --> 00:40:10,720
type you know they're

1246
00:40:13,589 --> 00:40:12,079
four other stroom fields and these are

1247
00:40:14,150 --> 00:40:13,599
problematic i don't go into them in the

1248
00:40:15,910 --> 00:40:14,160
book but

1249
00:40:17,670 --> 00:40:15,920
keep in mind that the whole history of

1250
00:40:18,790 --> 00:40:17,680
the planet there's only like four of

1251
00:40:20,630 --> 00:40:18,800
these strewn fields

1252
00:40:21,910 --> 00:40:20,640
that's right now what the hell's going

1253
00:40:23,270 --> 00:40:21,920
on there because if these are just from

1254
00:40:26,150 --> 00:40:23,280
standard impacts

1255
00:40:26,950 --> 00:40:26,160
then why why are there not hundreds and

1256
00:40:29,190 --> 00:40:26,960
hundreds of

1257
00:40:30,870 --> 00:40:29,200
sites with these so i mean again you

1258
00:40:32,870 --> 00:40:30,880
could probably deep dive into the

1259
00:40:34,309 --> 00:40:32,880
backstory some of these others i haven't

1260
00:40:36,069 --> 00:40:34,319
but i do suspect that they're all in

1261
00:40:37,109 --> 00:40:36,079
some way extraordinary but the reason

1262
00:40:38,710 --> 00:40:37,119
why we can focus on this one in

1263
00:40:40,630 --> 00:40:38,720
particular is because it's unique in

1264
00:40:42,309 --> 00:40:40,640
that we have these tech type buttons

1265
00:40:44,550 --> 00:40:42,319
that are quite clearly come down from

1266
00:40:46,069 --> 00:40:44,560
space so it's not the same as the other

1267
00:40:47,750 --> 00:40:46,079
stream fields hey so bruce

1268
00:40:49,750 --> 00:40:47,760
that that is like i mean we could talk

1269
00:40:51,349 --> 00:40:49,760
we'd just talk so long and that's why

1270
00:40:53,430 --> 00:40:51,359
it's really cool if you guys do have

1271
00:40:55,030 --> 00:40:53,440
bruce on for a series of interviews

1272
00:40:56,550 --> 00:40:55,040
i think that would be fantastic because

1273
00:40:58,710 --> 00:40:56,560
that's really what this

1274
00:41:00,550 --> 00:40:58,720
topic deserves especially for folks like

1275
00:41:01,589 --> 00:41:00,560
all of us who are interested in the

1276
00:41:04,150 --> 00:41:01,599
science

1277
00:41:05,190 --> 00:41:04,160
and again the the key part of this story

1278
00:41:08,630 --> 00:41:05,200
is it has this

1279
00:41:10,630 --> 00:41:08,640
incredible extended consciousness

1280
00:41:12,950 --> 00:41:10,640
aspect to it but then what we're trying

1281
00:41:15,030 --> 00:41:12,960
to do in our humble little minds here is

1282
00:41:18,950 --> 00:41:15,040
tie it back to this science

1283
00:41:21,349 --> 00:41:18,960
and i can't let go of this there's four

1284
00:41:21,990 --> 00:41:21,359
fields four times when we've seen this

1285
00:41:24,230 --> 00:41:22,000
kind of

1286
00:41:25,270 --> 00:41:24,240
tektite event and you're talking about

1287
00:41:27,670 --> 00:41:25,280
just one of them

1288
00:41:29,190 --> 00:41:27,680
what is the range of those different

1289
00:41:30,470 --> 00:41:29,200
ones and you've already explained why

1290
00:41:32,470 --> 00:41:30,480
this one is unique

1291
00:41:33,670 --> 00:41:32,480
but i guess i want to drive home this

1292
00:41:36,550 --> 00:41:33,680
point that

1293
00:41:38,550 --> 00:41:36,560
of all the events we've ever traced on

1294
00:41:39,750 --> 00:41:38,560
the the history geological history of

1295
00:41:42,790 --> 00:41:39,760
our planet you know

1296
00:41:44,309 --> 00:41:42,800
all the different craters this is unique

1297
00:41:45,910 --> 00:41:44,319
yeah i mean some of them go but i mean i

1298
00:41:49,430 --> 00:41:45,920
think that the moldova

1299
00:41:52,470 --> 00:41:49,440
goes back uh it's certainly in the

1300
00:41:54,150 --> 00:41:52,480
tens of millions if not longer

1301
00:41:55,829 --> 00:41:54,160
there's another stream field i think an

1302
00:41:57,990 --> 00:41:55,839
african stream field which is

1303
00:41:59,109 --> 00:41:58,000
around a million years old and some have

1304
00:42:01,670 --> 00:41:59,119
suggested that

1305
00:42:03,910 --> 00:42:01,680
perhaps it's closer to the dating on the

1306
00:42:04,950 --> 00:42:03,920
australite than that maybe it's within

1307
00:42:06,630 --> 00:42:04,960
the same frame but

1308
00:42:08,630 --> 00:42:06,640
they think around about a million years

1309
00:42:10,630 --> 00:42:08,640
old so that's the second

1310
00:42:13,430 --> 00:42:10,640
you know second youngest and then you've

1311
00:42:18,630 --> 00:42:13,440
got moldable and you've got a us

1312
00:42:22,470 --> 00:42:20,230
the piece of it that's exposed that we

1313
00:42:24,230 --> 00:42:22,480
know about is in georgia yeah

1314
00:42:26,230 --> 00:42:24,240
and so that one i think is again going

1315
00:42:28,069 --> 00:42:26,240
back quite early

1316
00:42:30,150 --> 00:42:28,079
yeah that one's really old i think yeah

1317
00:42:33,109 --> 00:42:30,160
so it's only these two that are you know

1318
00:42:34,790 --> 00:42:33,119
fairly recent the um african and the

1319
00:42:36,870 --> 00:42:34,800
australians

1320
00:42:38,950 --> 00:42:36,880
so again you know you get the the little

1321
00:42:41,109 --> 00:42:38,960
echo machine and the

1322
00:42:42,790 --> 00:42:41,119
aboriginal australian people have their

1323
00:42:44,470 --> 00:42:42,800
ancient echo when it comes down and says

1324
00:42:46,630 --> 00:42:44,480
hey look guys it's 780

1325
00:42:48,069 --> 00:42:46,640
look for it boom you find it right to

1326
00:42:49,829 --> 00:42:48,079
the date you don't find it 10 million

1327
00:42:52,349 --> 00:42:49,839
years ago 5 million years ago

1328
00:42:53,670 --> 00:42:52,359
you find it boom and that is

1329
00:42:56,230 --> 00:42:53,680
unbelievably

1330
00:42:57,990 --> 00:42:56,240
needle in a haystack thing and it's just

1331
00:42:59,910 --> 00:42:58,000
easy to kind of lose

1332
00:43:01,589 --> 00:42:59,920
the big picture here well yeah that and

1333
00:43:03,109 --> 00:43:01,599
of course and then we

1334
00:43:04,230 --> 00:43:03,119
very briefly mentioned you know there's

1335
00:43:06,470 --> 00:43:04,240
a claim that there is a

1336
00:43:07,270 --> 00:43:06,480
multi-directional asteroid bombardment

1337
00:43:09,589 --> 00:43:07,280
of the planet

1338
00:43:10,870 --> 00:43:09,599
five years later so in geological terms

1339
00:43:12,870 --> 00:43:10,880
you can't pinpoint

1340
00:43:14,870 --> 00:43:12,880
five years difference so you'd be

1341
00:43:17,190 --> 00:43:14,880
looking for an event approximately

1342
00:43:18,630 --> 00:43:17,200
in the same ten thousand twenty thousand

1343
00:43:20,710 --> 00:43:18,640
years right because

1344
00:43:21,670 --> 00:43:20,720
yeah not quite at the pinpoint accuracy

1345
00:43:25,349 --> 00:43:21,680
right but

1346
00:43:27,349 --> 00:43:25,359
you know it turned out that in 2016 you

1347
00:43:29,069 --> 00:43:27,359
know team of german geologists

1348
00:43:31,270 --> 00:43:29,079
had stumbled on evidence of a

1349
00:43:31,829 --> 00:43:31,280
multi-directional asteroid bombardment

1350
00:43:33,829 --> 00:43:31,839
keep in mind

1351
00:43:35,030 --> 00:43:33,839
this book you know the source material

1352
00:43:35,990 --> 00:43:35,040
is published you know so it's in the

1353
00:43:39,349 --> 00:43:36,000
public record

1354
00:43:41,829 --> 00:43:39,359
from 2003. this impact molestation

1355
00:43:44,150 --> 00:43:41,839
impact is discovered in 2016.

1356
00:43:45,430 --> 00:43:44,160
now you can't then say well you know

1357
00:43:47,510 --> 00:43:45,440
this person's heard about it

1358
00:43:49,270 --> 00:43:47,520
you know they've woven it into a sci-fi

1359
00:43:50,069 --> 00:43:49,280
story you just can't do that and it

1360
00:43:51,190 --> 00:43:50,079
turns out that

1361
00:43:53,030 --> 00:43:51,200
when does this event happen

1362
00:43:53,990 --> 00:43:53,040
approximately the same time as the

1363
00:43:55,750 --> 00:43:54,000
australites

1364
00:43:56,950 --> 00:43:55,760
so they give it a little bit of leeway

1365
00:43:58,790 --> 00:43:56,960
because it's about three different or

1366
00:44:00,630 --> 00:43:58,800
four different impact sites they found

1367
00:44:02,150 --> 00:44:00,640
and they they're close enough in their

1368
00:44:03,910 --> 00:44:02,160
geological dating that they believe they

1369
00:44:05,910 --> 00:44:03,920
happened at the same time

1370
00:44:08,710 --> 00:44:05,920
now you've got uh impacts down in

1371
00:44:10,069 --> 00:44:08,720
tasmania impacts in central america and

1372
00:44:11,990 --> 00:44:10,079
a couple other sites

1373
00:44:13,349 --> 00:44:12,000
and they are sure that these basically

1374
00:44:16,150 --> 00:44:13,359
are you know interrelated

1375
00:44:17,510 --> 00:44:16,160
yeah and this is um this might be going

1376
00:44:19,109 --> 00:44:17,520
a little too deep into the story here

1377
00:44:21,589 --> 00:44:19,119
but this part bothered me

1378
00:44:23,670 --> 00:44:21,599
in the story that was being told you

1379
00:44:26,150 --> 00:44:23,680
know uh

1380
00:44:27,030 --> 00:44:26,160
so the the the ship shows up it's

1381
00:44:28,630 --> 00:44:27,040
destroyed

1382
00:44:30,550 --> 00:44:28,640
some people survive they end up on the

1383
00:44:32,150 --> 00:44:30,560
ground they start trying to live there

1384
00:44:33,109 --> 00:44:32,160
they i guess they sent out a distress

1385
00:44:36,069 --> 00:44:33,119
call

1386
00:44:36,870 --> 00:44:36,079
you know and and then five years later

1387
00:44:38,710 --> 00:44:36,880
people show up

1388
00:44:40,390 --> 00:44:38,720
and there and they start bombarding the

1389
00:44:42,710 --> 00:44:40,400
planet and there are survivors

1390
00:44:44,069 --> 00:44:42,720
on the planet i'm like wait a minute why

1391
00:44:45,510 --> 00:44:44,079
would they do that you know i mean i

1392
00:44:46,790 --> 00:44:45,520
know this is probably not something that

1393
00:44:48,069 --> 00:44:46,800
can be answered but this part of the

1394
00:44:51,270 --> 00:44:48,079
story bothered me i don't i

1395
00:44:53,030 --> 00:44:51,280
wondered why when they asked for rescue

1396
00:44:54,790 --> 00:44:53,040
that the people show up and then start

1397
00:44:55,829 --> 00:44:54,800
slamming the planet with asteroids that

1398
00:44:57,589 --> 00:44:55,839
you you can't

1399
00:44:59,270 --> 00:44:57,599
they don't want rescue they that's sort

1400
00:45:00,790 --> 00:44:59,280
of clarified in the book they don't want

1401
00:45:02,950 --> 00:45:00,800
to be rescued they are offered

1402
00:45:04,710 --> 00:45:02,960
to be rescued that's right but this this

1403
00:45:06,230 --> 00:45:04,720
is more like an enforcement of the

1404
00:45:07,190 --> 00:45:06,240
original agreement for another group to

1405
00:45:08,870 --> 00:45:07,200
leave the planet

1406
00:45:10,630 --> 00:45:08,880
but there is a communication between

1407
00:45:11,270 --> 00:45:10,640
them so although it's never completely

1408
00:45:13,109 --> 00:45:11,280
explained

1409
00:45:15,109 --> 00:45:13,119
we assume that there is some level of

1410
00:45:16,230 --> 00:45:15,119
defensive locations where these other

1411
00:45:18,390 --> 00:45:16,240
survivors are

1412
00:45:20,950 --> 00:45:18,400
yeah they are in communication but

1413
00:45:23,510 --> 00:45:20,960
there's no attempt to go into depth of

1414
00:45:24,790 --> 00:45:23,520
this is how we you know we put them in a

1415
00:45:25,829 --> 00:45:24,800
particular area you know it doesn't

1416
00:45:27,829 --> 00:45:25,839
really explain it but

1417
00:45:29,190 --> 00:45:27,839
yeah one has to infer that in this

1418
00:45:30,710 --> 00:45:29,200
communication between them where they

1419
00:45:32,230 --> 00:45:30,720
say we want to remain

1420
00:45:33,990 --> 00:45:32,240
that you know they would be protected

1421
00:45:35,190 --> 00:45:34,000
from this bombardment yeah that they

1422
00:45:36,309 --> 00:45:35,200
would have to tell them like okay you

1423
00:45:37,349 --> 00:45:36,319
need to go hide because we're about to

1424
00:45:39,270 --> 00:45:37,359
start throwing

1425
00:45:41,109 --> 00:45:39,280
the planet we'll hit you here but we're

1426
00:45:42,230 --> 00:45:41,119
going to be yelling you out the planet

1427
00:45:43,910 --> 00:45:42,240
to [\h__\h]

1428
00:45:45,430 --> 00:45:43,920
that's right like i was saying we've

1429
00:45:47,190 --> 00:45:45,440
been studying the younger driest period

1430
00:45:48,309 --> 00:45:47,200
specifically the impact hypothesis about

1431
00:45:50,790 --> 00:45:48,319
the younger dryas

1432
00:45:52,470 --> 00:45:50,800
and bombardment even of small material

1433
00:45:53,190 --> 00:45:52,480
even stuff that just explodes in the air

1434
00:45:54,390 --> 00:45:53,200
that doesn't always

1435
00:45:56,710 --> 00:45:54,400
make it all the way down to the ground

1436
00:45:58,710 --> 00:45:56,720
causes extinction level events

1437
00:46:00,069 --> 00:45:58,720
you know you don't have to have it yeah

1438
00:46:03,030 --> 00:46:00,079
it's cataclysmic for the whole

1439
00:46:05,589 --> 00:46:03,040
planet so absolutely i mean you know

1440
00:46:07,589 --> 00:46:05,599
it's theorized that even with um

1441
00:46:09,030 --> 00:46:07,599
one of the objects that hit in

1442
00:46:11,510 --> 00:46:09,040
antarctica

1443
00:46:14,069 --> 00:46:11,520
left is believed it left an initial

1444
00:46:16,710 --> 00:46:14,079
crate in the ice about 200 miles by 200

1445
00:46:17,190 --> 00:46:16,720
miles 200 kilometers by 200 kilometers

1446
00:46:18,550 --> 00:46:17,200
but

1447
00:46:20,470 --> 00:46:18,560
you think about they think that that was

1448
00:46:23,589 --> 00:46:20,480
an object on the same scale

1449
00:46:26,710 --> 00:46:23,599
as the one that eradicated the dinosaurs

1450
00:46:28,309 --> 00:46:26,720
yeah this is not a small impact right

1451
00:46:29,750 --> 00:46:28,319
and that's just one of them

1452
00:46:31,510 --> 00:46:29,760
and you know there's several that are

1453
00:46:32,950 --> 00:46:31,520
impacting and it was theorized that the

1454
00:46:34,870 --> 00:46:32,960
only reason why that didn't cause the

1455
00:46:36,870 --> 00:46:34,880
same level of extinction event

1456
00:46:38,710 --> 00:46:36,880
is because it was in ice and because the

1457
00:46:40,390 --> 00:46:38,720
world was in an ice age at that time

1458
00:46:41,990 --> 00:46:40,400
so there was a lot of sea ice and that

1459
00:46:43,109 --> 00:46:42,000
absorbed a lot of the energy and said i

1460
00:46:44,150 --> 00:46:43,119
don't know if these impacts were

1461
00:46:45,670 --> 00:46:44,160
happening

1462
00:46:47,349 --> 00:46:45,680
you know at a point when there wasn't so

1463
00:46:48,790 --> 00:46:47,359
much ice you know like now

1464
00:46:50,630 --> 00:46:48,800
that we would have had an event like the

1465
00:46:51,990 --> 00:46:50,640
dinosaur extinction event but it still

1466
00:46:53,750 --> 00:46:52,000
was severe i mean they they think that

1467
00:46:57,030 --> 00:46:53,760
these multi-directional impacts caused

1468
00:46:59,349 --> 00:46:57,040
fire storms earthquakes tsunamis

1469
00:47:00,710 --> 00:46:59,359
i mean so by no stretch was it you know

1470
00:47:02,230 --> 00:47:00,720
like you know cakewalk

1471
00:47:04,470 --> 00:47:02,240
it would have been yeah there would have

1472
00:47:04,870 --> 00:47:04,480
been mass extinction type events you

1473
00:47:07,349 --> 00:47:04,880
know

1474
00:47:09,349 --> 00:47:07,359
in some areas definitely i would just

1475
00:47:12,470 --> 00:47:09,359
like to make a comment about the story

1476
00:47:14,230 --> 00:47:12,480
and its similarities to some

1477
00:47:16,390 --> 00:47:14,240
translations and interpretations of the

1478
00:47:17,430 --> 00:47:16,400
sumerian text of the anunnaki coming

1479
00:47:20,710 --> 00:47:17,440
down

1480
00:47:23,589 --> 00:47:20,720
um inky genetically alternate

1481
00:47:24,069 --> 00:47:23,599
also altering the hominids that lived on

1482
00:47:26,950 --> 00:47:24,079
the planet

1483
00:47:28,549 --> 00:47:26,960
to make the adamu and then you have

1484
00:47:29,510 --> 00:47:28,559
another story that comes much later

1485
00:47:31,750 --> 00:47:29,520
which is the

1486
00:47:33,910 --> 00:47:31,760
the quote-unquote fallen which are like

1487
00:47:35,589 --> 00:47:33,920
shimyasa and the 200

1488
00:47:37,510 --> 00:47:35,599
fallen angels that come down take the

1489
00:47:39,349 --> 00:47:37,520
daughters of men to be their wives

1490
00:47:41,030 --> 00:47:39,359
and then they don't want to leave but it

1491
00:47:44,390 --> 00:47:41,040
was against the

1492
00:47:46,549 --> 00:47:44,400
compact with with the gods or god

1493
00:47:47,910 --> 00:47:46,559
and so then there's like a battle ensues

1494
00:47:50,950 --> 00:47:47,920
between them where he

1495
00:47:52,150 --> 00:47:50,960
where god destroys all of them that's

1496
00:47:54,470 --> 00:47:52,160
just really interesting yeah

1497
00:47:55,589 --> 00:47:54,480
there are similarities for sure and you

1498
00:47:58,150 --> 00:47:55,599
know

1499
00:47:59,589 --> 00:47:58,160
you say there's some elements of this in

1500
00:48:01,190 --> 00:47:59,599
the bible stories again which relates to

1501
00:48:03,589 --> 00:48:01,200
the sumerian stories anyway but

1502
00:48:04,950 --> 00:48:03,599
um yeah now this is this is problematic

1503
00:48:07,430 --> 00:48:04,960
if you take it from

1504
00:48:08,790 --> 00:48:07,440
a very mundane materialist conventional

1505
00:48:11,190 --> 00:48:08,800
view particularly take a view that

1506
00:48:13,349 --> 00:48:11,200
there's not been contact events with

1507
00:48:14,870 --> 00:48:13,359
other extraterrestrials over time

1508
00:48:16,309 --> 00:48:14,880
otherwise it's quite easily explainable

1509
00:48:17,430 --> 00:48:16,319
why we have similarities in these

1510
00:48:19,589 --> 00:48:17,440
different stories because

1511
00:48:20,790 --> 00:48:19,599
if either of one of two or both of these

1512
00:48:22,870 --> 00:48:20,800
other scenarios are true then it's

1513
00:48:23,430 --> 00:48:22,880
sustainable one being the very common

1514
00:48:25,829 --> 00:48:23,440
claim

1515
00:48:26,950 --> 00:48:25,839
that many people particularly shamans

1516
00:48:28,870 --> 00:48:26,960
mediums and whatnot

1517
00:48:30,309 --> 00:48:28,880
can have psychical communication with

1518
00:48:30,630 --> 00:48:30,319
non-human extraterrestrials you know

1519
00:48:32,390 --> 00:48:30,640
that

1520
00:48:33,990 --> 00:48:32,400
have this information and it keeps being

1521
00:48:35,670 --> 00:48:34,000
perpetually renewed

1522
00:48:37,430 --> 00:48:35,680
right then immediately you can see how

1523
00:48:37,990 --> 00:48:37,440
this stuff perpetuates through time and

1524
00:48:39,750 --> 00:48:38,000
space

1525
00:48:41,109 --> 00:48:39,760
the second one being of course direct

1526
00:48:43,030 --> 00:48:41,119
contact which again

1527
00:48:44,150 --> 00:48:43,040
vast numbers of people you know whole

1528
00:48:45,589 --> 00:48:44,160
civilizations

1529
00:48:47,349 --> 00:48:45,599
claim that they've been in contact

1530
00:48:47,589 --> 00:48:47,359
whether you know native americans you

1531
00:48:49,190 --> 00:48:47,599
know

1532
00:48:51,270 --> 00:48:49,200
aboriginal people all sorts of people

1533
00:48:52,790 --> 00:48:51,280
said we've had ongoing contact they tell

1534
00:48:54,309 --> 00:48:52,800
us history they tell us stuff you know

1535
00:48:55,030 --> 00:48:54,319
we can some of them say we go sit in the

1536
00:48:57,670 --> 00:48:55,040
bush

1537
00:48:58,230 --> 00:48:57,680
meditate get contact with the the star

1538
00:49:00,470 --> 00:48:58,240
people

1539
00:49:01,670 --> 00:49:00,480
and they tell us stuff right so in

1540
00:49:02,150 --> 00:49:01,680
either of those scenarios there's no

1541
00:49:03,430 --> 00:49:02,160
problem

1542
00:49:05,589 --> 00:49:03,440
of course if you go from a totally

1543
00:49:06,230 --> 00:49:05,599
materialist view that people can't do

1544
00:49:07,910 --> 00:49:06,240
that

1545
00:49:09,990 --> 00:49:07,920
then you're stuck scratching your head

1546
00:49:11,349 --> 00:49:10,000
how can the sumerians know this story

1547
00:49:13,270 --> 00:49:11,359
from 780 thousand years

1548
00:49:15,109 --> 00:49:13,280
how could they have any indication about

1549
00:49:16,950 --> 00:49:15,119
modification of human beings

1550
00:49:18,069 --> 00:49:16,960
you know why is that story so persistent

1551
00:49:19,510 --> 00:49:18,079
why is it the native americans are

1552
00:49:20,150 --> 00:49:19,520
talking about do we have ancestry to the

1553
00:49:21,750 --> 00:49:20,160
pleiades

1554
00:49:24,069 --> 00:49:21,760
where is this coming from even if it's

1555
00:49:24,790 --> 00:49:24,079
even a real event 780 000 years is too

1556
00:49:27,349 --> 00:49:24,800
long

1557
00:49:28,470 --> 00:49:27,359
for this to be oral history right it's

1558
00:49:30,549 --> 00:49:28,480
too long

1559
00:49:33,030 --> 00:49:30,559
it's not believable that you can pass

1560
00:49:34,309 --> 00:49:33,040
down an accurate story for 780 thousand

1561
00:49:36,470 --> 00:49:34,319
years particularly

1562
00:49:37,990 --> 00:49:36,480
when those first generation don't have

1563
00:49:39,030 --> 00:49:38,000
the complex brain we have

1564
00:49:41,270 --> 00:49:39,040
there's no reason to feel that they were

1565
00:49:43,030 --> 00:49:41,280
capable of really

1566
00:49:44,950 --> 00:49:43,040
doing that right having that whole story

1567
00:49:45,750 --> 00:49:44,960
and conveying it so the only way you can

1568
00:49:47,829 --> 00:49:45,760
have this is

1569
00:49:49,349 --> 00:49:47,839
either someone is tapping into this

1570
00:49:49,990 --> 00:49:49,359
information in some kind of psychical

1571
00:49:51,589 --> 00:49:50,000
way

1572
00:49:53,510 --> 00:49:51,599
or there's a direct contact there's a

1573
00:49:54,710 --> 00:49:53,520
landing there's a refreshing of the

1574
00:49:57,430 --> 00:49:54,720
story through that

1575
00:49:57,990 --> 00:49:57,440
which is that's basically what the

1576
00:49:59,589 --> 00:49:58,000
sumerians

1577
00:50:00,950 --> 00:49:59,599
were claiming is that the anunnaki came

1578
00:50:02,230 --> 00:50:00,960
down and told them all this time so that

1579
00:50:05,109 --> 00:50:02,240
means that they had contact

1580
00:50:05,990 --> 00:50:05,119
same either direct contact all sorts of

1581
00:50:08,150 --> 00:50:06,000
cultures have stories

1582
00:50:09,109 --> 00:50:08,160
if you accept very many stories of

1583
00:50:11,510 --> 00:50:09,119
direct contact

1584
00:50:12,549 --> 00:50:11,520
or psychical interaction either of those

1585
00:50:14,470 --> 00:50:12,559
explain that straight away

1586
00:50:16,790 --> 00:50:14,480
why we're hearing the similar story that

1587
00:50:18,470 --> 00:50:16,800
the sumerian story seems almost like uh

1588
00:50:19,990 --> 00:50:18,480
what's like a slightly chinese whispers

1589
00:50:21,750 --> 00:50:20,000
version of what i'm

1590
00:50:23,349 --> 00:50:21,760
providing in my book that they it's not

1591
00:50:24,390 --> 00:50:23,359
quite right it's pretty written down

1592
00:50:26,790 --> 00:50:24,400
here to the events

1593
00:50:28,630 --> 00:50:26,800
right that's what i keep hearing in in

1594
00:50:30,630 --> 00:50:28,640
all this is you know the

1595
00:50:32,309 --> 00:50:30,640
the whisper to your neighbor telephone

1596
00:50:34,390 --> 00:50:32,319
game you know but but

1597
00:50:35,589 --> 00:50:34,400
i tell you what guys we're we're running

1598
00:50:38,790 --> 00:50:35,599
out of time and

1599
00:50:39,190 --> 00:50:38,800
really i think one of the purposes of

1600
00:50:42,870 --> 00:50:39,200
this

1601
00:50:44,630 --> 00:50:42,880
introduction because i'm really really

1602
00:50:45,510 --> 00:50:44,640
hopeful that you guys will do this

1603
00:50:47,510 --> 00:50:45,520
series

1604
00:50:48,870 --> 00:50:47,520
and you can already see i mean i think

1605
00:50:52,150 --> 00:50:48,880
the audience can already see

1606
00:50:53,670 --> 00:50:52,160
that the brothers the snakes

1607
00:50:55,670 --> 00:50:53,680
they ain't gonna lay on they ain't gonna

1608
00:50:56,870 --> 00:50:55,680
roll over not the snakes roll over i

1609
00:50:58,470 --> 00:50:56,880
don't know how snakes do that

1610
00:50:59,910 --> 00:50:58,480
but they're not gonna roll over on this

1611
00:51:00,549 --> 00:50:59,920
they're gonna dig into it and they're

1612
00:51:02,710 --> 00:51:00,559
gonna try

1613
00:51:03,750 --> 00:51:02,720
and pull it apart and if anyone

1614
00:51:05,430 --> 00:51:03,760
remembers the first

1615
00:51:06,790 --> 00:51:05,440
interview that i did that's how i framed

1616
00:51:07,270 --> 00:51:06,800
it up because that's really what i do

1617
00:51:09,750 --> 00:51:07,280
you know

1618
00:51:10,470 --> 00:51:09,760
i was like no i'm pulling this guy down

1619
00:51:13,109 --> 00:51:10,480
i'm pulling

1620
00:51:14,630 --> 00:51:13,119
his pen he's going down and i tried the

1621
00:51:18,549 --> 00:51:14,640
best i could so

1622
00:51:21,349 --> 00:51:18,559
this is like a passing of the baton

1623
00:51:22,390 --> 00:51:21,359
to people who are more capable pull it

1624
00:51:23,990 --> 00:51:22,400
apart

1625
00:51:24,950 --> 00:51:24,000
tell us where it's wrong but i tell you

1626
00:51:27,109 --> 00:51:24,960
what i'm going to do because we've got

1627
00:51:28,470 --> 00:51:27,119
like five minutes and bruce has to run

1628
00:51:30,309 --> 00:51:28,480
so want to leave people with something

1629
00:51:31,990 --> 00:51:30,319
too so go ahead but i have

1630
00:51:33,430 --> 00:51:32,000
a few things to say won't take me a

1631
00:51:35,190 --> 00:51:33,440
minute though okay

1632
00:51:37,109 --> 00:51:35,200
now uh do you want to do it before after

1633
00:51:38,710 --> 00:51:37,119
this clip

1634
00:51:41,270 --> 00:51:38,720
why one thing i would say if you're

1635
00:51:43,510 --> 00:51:41,280
going to throw out

1636
00:51:44,470 --> 00:51:43,520
if you're going to be a materialist and

1637
00:51:47,030 --> 00:51:44,480
if you're going to throw out the

1638
00:51:49,910 --> 00:51:47,040
possibility of contact

1639
00:51:51,750 --> 00:51:49,920
then you're not going to solve yeah any

1640
00:51:52,790 --> 00:51:51,760
mysteries about the our origins so

1641
00:51:56,230 --> 00:51:52,800
that's my opinion

1642
00:51:57,109 --> 00:51:56,240
so yeah go ahead and play the clip alex

1643
00:51:59,829 --> 00:51:57,119
i'll do this after

1644
00:52:01,990 --> 00:51:59,839
after that's over having validated that

1645
00:52:02,470 --> 00:52:02,000
there was not only a large crystalline

1646
00:52:05,190 --> 00:52:02,480
object

1647
00:52:06,309 --> 00:52:05,200
in orbit just as this information had

1648
00:52:08,990 --> 00:52:06,319
stated

1649
00:52:11,589 --> 00:52:09,000
and having found that there was indeed a

1650
00:52:14,309 --> 00:52:11,599
multi-directional asteroid bombardment

1651
00:52:16,470 --> 00:52:14,319
as the information had stated i now was

1652
00:52:18,549 --> 00:52:16,480
in a position where i had to look at

1653
00:52:19,990 --> 00:52:18,559
perhaps the most controversial and most

1654
00:52:21,990 --> 00:52:20,000
important claim

1655
00:52:23,829 --> 00:52:22,000
in this information which is of course

1656
00:52:26,870 --> 00:52:23,839
that homo sapiens

1657
00:52:27,589 --> 00:52:26,880
are tied to this story that these these

1658
00:52:30,630 --> 00:52:27,599
beings this

1659
00:52:32,870 --> 00:52:30,640
intelligence you know goes on

1660
00:52:34,950 --> 00:52:32,880
to make a modification in the early

1661
00:52:36,390 --> 00:52:34,960
hominins that are living on the planet

1662
00:52:39,270 --> 00:52:36,400
at this time

1663
00:52:39,750 --> 00:52:39,280
okay so we might end that right there

1664
00:52:42,150 --> 00:52:39,760
and

1665
00:52:42,870 --> 00:52:42,160
there's so much obviously that we could

1666
00:52:45,190 --> 00:52:42,880
talk about

1667
00:52:46,549 --> 00:52:45,200
in terms of the genetic modification and

1668
00:52:48,710 --> 00:52:46,559
it's incredible

1669
00:52:50,150 --> 00:52:48,720
i think people already get a sense for

1670
00:52:52,549 --> 00:52:50,160
the the depth

1671
00:52:54,870 --> 00:52:52,559
that bruce goes into in his research and

1672
00:52:56,950 --> 00:52:54,880
i guarantee you he's done that

1673
00:52:58,790 --> 00:52:56,960
with the genetic information too not

1674
00:53:01,670 --> 00:52:58,800
that you would

1675
00:53:01,910 --> 00:53:01,680
believe it or have to believe it but let

1676
00:53:06,309 --> 00:53:01,920
me

1677
00:53:09,349 --> 00:53:06,319
over to you russ and

1678
00:53:12,549 --> 00:53:09,359
and tell me what you're thinking okay

1679
00:53:14,549 --> 00:53:12,559
so going through the book i was really

1680
00:53:15,670 --> 00:53:14,559
uh two things happened to me in the

1681
00:53:19,349 --> 00:53:15,680
gospel glyphs

1682
00:53:21,589 --> 00:53:19,359
part one i was sort of confused by

1683
00:53:22,870 --> 00:53:21,599
uh what was happening there obviously

1684
00:53:24,470 --> 00:53:22,880
there was there was some stuff you know

1685
00:53:25,510 --> 00:53:24,480
you guys go there and then you there's a

1686
00:53:27,589 --> 00:53:25,520
lot of

1687
00:53:28,870 --> 00:53:27,599
uh visions and intuitive stuff that's

1688
00:53:31,270 --> 00:53:28,880
happening right

1689
00:53:32,470 --> 00:53:31,280
which was all interesting the other

1690
00:53:34,069 --> 00:53:32,480
thing that was

1691
00:53:35,510 --> 00:53:34,079
really fascinating to me is that i've

1692
00:53:36,630 --> 00:53:35,520
i've looked into this a lot i don't know

1693
00:53:37,910 --> 00:53:36,640
if you're familiar with ben from

1694
00:53:40,630 --> 00:53:37,920
uncharted x

1695
00:53:41,270 --> 00:53:40,640
uh he's done a lot of work on this he's

1696
00:53:43,670 --> 00:53:41,280
gone there

1697
00:53:45,430 --> 00:53:43,680
multiple times he is australian but he

1698
00:53:47,349 --> 00:53:45,440
lives in california but he's been there

1699
00:53:49,109 --> 00:53:47,359
uh he has a whole video on it there's a

1700
00:53:52,710 --> 00:53:49,119
couple of guys one of them's named yusuf

1701
00:53:54,390 --> 00:53:52,720
uh they're egyptians and they have taken

1702
00:53:55,990 --> 00:53:54,400
yeah they've taken these glyphs and

1703
00:53:57,829 --> 00:53:56,000
they've done that they've got a whole

1704
00:53:59,829 --> 00:53:57,839
series of videos on their youtube

1705
00:54:01,990 --> 00:53:59,839
channel and they've published a paper

1706
00:54:04,150 --> 00:54:02,000
about their translations

1707
00:54:05,670 --> 00:54:04,160
so what was interesting to me the the

1708
00:54:07,750 --> 00:54:05,680
the part that was strange

1709
00:54:09,030 --> 00:54:07,760
was they're looking at the glyph types

1710
00:54:11,190 --> 00:54:09,040
and saying well

1711
00:54:12,390 --> 00:54:11,200
these look to be from this particular

1712
00:54:15,349 --> 00:54:12,400
late period of egypt

1713
00:54:16,950 --> 00:54:15,359
but the story they are translating from

1714
00:54:18,150 --> 00:54:16,960
those glyphs i got i got a couple of the

1715
00:54:19,589 --> 00:54:18,160
lines here

1716
00:54:21,990 --> 00:54:19,599
from their translations here's one of

1717
00:54:24,549 --> 00:54:22,000
them the ships capsized

1718
00:54:26,309 --> 00:54:24,559
they turned over and were destroyed into

1719
00:54:28,870 --> 00:54:26,319
pieces

1720
00:54:30,390 --> 00:54:28,880
we prayed to our gods for help but many

1721
00:54:32,470 --> 00:54:30,400
were killed

1722
00:54:35,349 --> 00:54:32,480
god will keep the hidden burial from

1723
00:54:38,390 --> 00:54:35,359
being reached and give the foreign land

1724
00:54:40,549 --> 00:54:38,400
heritage and eternal life to the

1725
00:54:43,589 --> 00:54:40,559
deceased will be given power

1726
00:54:45,349 --> 00:54:43,599
in this place they are so close to the

1727
00:54:46,710 --> 00:54:45,359
story that you're telling it's very

1728
00:54:47,910 --> 00:54:46,720
fascinating so on the one hand i'm like

1729
00:54:50,069 --> 00:54:47,920
okay they're dating it

1730
00:54:51,589 --> 00:54:50,079
to this very late period of egypt but on

1731
00:54:52,950 --> 00:54:51,599
the other hand this story sounds so

1732
00:54:54,789 --> 00:54:52,960
close to the one that

1733
00:54:56,230 --> 00:54:54,799
you're telling in your book and so i i

1734
00:54:58,470 --> 00:54:56,240
work i definitely want to dig it

1735
00:54:59,750 --> 00:54:58,480
into that more on our show when we i'm

1736
00:55:00,630 --> 00:54:59,760
i'm so so bruce

1737
00:55:02,789 --> 00:55:00,640
you know we're going to give you the

1738
00:55:04,630 --> 00:55:02,799
last word here tell people you know

1739
00:55:06,630 --> 00:55:04,640
what's going on with the book

1740
00:55:08,870 --> 00:55:06,640
uh where they can find it i know you're

1741
00:55:10,069 --> 00:55:08,880
doing a lot of really terrific media

1742
00:55:11,430 --> 00:55:10,079
appearance as well

1743
00:55:14,230 --> 00:55:11,440
and you're continuing to do this

1744
00:55:16,549 --> 00:55:14,240
research so tell us in a couple minutes

1745
00:55:17,750 --> 00:55:16,559
kind of what continues to go on with

1746
00:55:20,309 --> 00:55:17,760
this work

1747
00:55:21,589 --> 00:55:20,319
okay yeah i mean if people would like to

1748
00:55:23,349 --> 00:55:21,599
you know interact with me i'm on

1749
00:55:25,270 --> 00:55:23,359
twitter quite a lot you know i tried to

1750
00:55:26,309 --> 00:55:25,280
be available as questions or queries you

1751
00:55:27,030 --> 00:55:26,319
know particularly they've read the book

1752
00:55:28,950 --> 00:55:27,040
and they've got

1753
00:55:31,030 --> 00:55:28,960
some feedback you know if they give me

1754
00:55:33,670 --> 00:55:31,040
on basically exogenesis

1755
00:55:34,870 --> 00:55:33,680
hh my handle there um yeah i'm doing

1756
00:55:36,069 --> 00:55:34,880
lots of interviews so people if they

1757
00:55:38,069 --> 00:55:36,079
sort of keep an eye on me

1758
00:55:39,510 --> 00:55:38,079
facebook or on there i'll share some of

1759
00:55:42,390 --> 00:55:39,520
those links um

1760
00:55:43,030 --> 00:55:42,400
i might do a kind of follow-up book

1761
00:55:44,710 --> 00:55:43,040
we'll see

1762
00:55:46,150 --> 00:55:44,720
so i am you know looking to see you know

1763
00:55:48,470 --> 00:55:46,160
additional information to this

1764
00:55:50,309 --> 00:55:48,480
of course if they watch the um the free

1765
00:55:51,589 --> 00:55:50,319
documentary on youtube be great they'll

1766
00:55:54,150 --> 00:55:51,599
get a good overview

1767
00:55:56,549 --> 00:55:54,160
you know from what we've done um but

1768
00:55:58,230 --> 00:55:56,559
yeah otherwise the book is available at

1769
00:55:59,990 --> 00:55:58,240
the us it's available now you know

1770
00:56:02,549 --> 00:56:00,000
bookstores i understand you can order it

1771
00:56:03,670 --> 00:56:02,559
see amazon barnes and noble in europe

1772
00:56:07,190 --> 00:56:03,680
the print version

1773
00:56:09,430 --> 00:56:07,200
will be out on the 26th of july due to

1774
00:56:10,630 --> 00:56:09,440
you know chronologists slowing down

1775
00:56:13,349 --> 00:56:10,640
shipping and all that kind of stuff

1776
00:56:14,470 --> 00:56:13,359
but it's available you know audio kindle

1777
00:56:17,109 --> 00:56:14,480
all the other

1778
00:56:18,230 --> 00:56:17,119
you know alleyways but just not print in

1779
00:56:19,910 --> 00:56:18,240
europe at the moment

1780
00:56:21,990 --> 00:56:19,920
great well i'll tell you what we're

1781
00:56:23,990 --> 00:56:22,000
gonna wrap it up there

1782
00:56:25,750 --> 00:56:24,000
and i i hope you know we we kind of

1783
00:56:27,589 --> 00:56:25,760
touched on some stuff like we said all

1784
00:56:28,710 --> 00:56:27,599
along it's a huge topic so we can't get

1785
00:56:31,910 --> 00:56:28,720
into it too much but

1786
00:56:33,829 --> 00:56:31,920
hopefully we've we've maybe made some

1787
00:56:35,670 --> 00:56:33,839
people interested that didn't know about

1788
00:56:37,349 --> 00:56:35,680
it before and it's kind of fun to see

1789
00:56:40,789 --> 00:56:37,359
you guys coming into it

1790
00:56:44,470 --> 00:56:40,799
you know fresh and clean and some

1791
00:56:46,789 --> 00:56:44,480
your perspective so thanks guys and uh

1792
00:56:48,630 --> 00:56:46,799
we'll stay on top of this bruce russ

1793
00:56:52,390 --> 00:56:48,640
kyle thank you all so much

1794
00:56:55,430 --> 00:56:52,400
thank you so much thank you thank you

1795
00:56:58,150 --> 00:56:55,440
thanks again to bruce and russ and kyle

1796
00:56:59,750 --> 00:56:58,160
for joining me today on skeptico the

1797
00:57:00,789 --> 00:56:59,760
question i guess i'd have to tee up from

1798
00:57:03,510 --> 00:57:00,799
this interview

1799
00:57:04,390 --> 00:57:03,520
has to do with the whole premise of the

1800
00:57:07,430 --> 00:57:04,400
movie

1801
00:57:10,789 --> 00:57:07,440
do you buy it 780

1802
00:57:11,750 --> 00:57:10,799
000 years ago begins the human origin

1803
00:57:14,870 --> 00:57:11,760
story

1804
00:57:16,870 --> 00:57:14,880
that's an unbelievably big claim what

1805
00:57:21,030 --> 00:57:16,880
would it take to nudge you

1806
00:57:22,870 --> 00:57:21,040
closer to some acceptance of that

1807
00:57:24,710 --> 00:57:22,880
i'd love to hear your thoughts jump on

1808
00:57:27,190 --> 00:57:24,720
over to the skeptical forum or just drop

1809
00:57:29,910 --> 00:57:27,200
me a note i have some

1810
00:57:30,950 --> 00:57:29,920
really interesting chats coming up more

1811
00:57:34,150 --> 00:57:30,960
on the evil stuff

1812
00:57:35,910 --> 00:57:34,160
of course but not just on that so i hope

1813
00:57:36,630 --> 00:57:35,920
you stay with me for all of that i hope

1814
00:57:39,190 --> 00:57:36,640
you're

1815
00:57:39,990 --> 00:57:39,200
enjoying this and i hope you can find

1816
00:57:43,430 --> 00:57:40,000
some value